Australia's credit card debt accruing interest is staggering $18 billion

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Heard this on the news, it amazed me. There's $18.4 billion credit card debt in Australia accruing interest (Australian Credit Card and Debit Card Statistics 2023). Let's say the average interest rate is 20%, that is $3.6 billion per year that banks are pocketing on poor suckers who fell into the trap.

Next time you're churning a CC don't feel sorry for the bank, they don't offer those sign-up bonuses out of charity for you, they want you to one day become the part of that $3.6 billion a year pile....
 
Too right, no sympathy at all. My uk bank keeps offering me a loan. When I ask for an offer, it's at 30%! Because I have no credit history there now, but still, I've never had a default for 40 years.

I'm actually playing CC debt myself right now, waiting for a payout and no chance of credit, being on a pension. I kept it to 14%, but it still stings!
 
credit cards are a good way of running the ordinary people into debt

its the trickle up effect in action - their spending makes us wealthy says no banker ever!

and please stay away from reverse mortgages - the bank getting its claws on your assets legally

all this spending before you earn reminds me of champagne tastes on coca cola income. Spend, spend, spend (noting the OP's comment above about waiting for a payout - that's an exception to the rule as its based on a known capital lumpsum due and payable - its a pity its been held up)

my ex had that situation, motor accident compensation, and while agreed to wait for the money to show up BEFORE spending it - golly gosh, spent on all sorts of household cough - and then needed to repay the money set aside for the family USA Disneyland and Florida holiday which got spent as well.,..

credit cards are useful as LONG AS THEY ARE PAID OFF IN FULL EVERY MONTH
 
banks are pocketing on poor suckers who fell into the trap

What trap? The terms of credit cards including the interest rates are clearly spelled out when you apply. And you have to choose to apply, Banks have not been allowed to solicit new CC customers by automatically sending out a card for over 4 decades.

There has to be some personal responsibility. Don't spend money you don't have. If an item is a non essential, save for it. And if you cant afford your essential commitments then negotiate a payment plan with the utility provider, landlord etc it will always be cheaper than the interest on a CC and/or apply for government assistance.

If you get a little behind on a CC repayments, then look to transfer your debt to a card with a interest free period on transfers while you pay down the principal and stop incurring more debt on non essential purchases.

I have no sympathy for the banks, but also do not agree CCs are a trap. They are a financial tool and if you don't take the time to educate yourself about the pitfalls you aren't ready to have one.

I've never paid 1c of CC interest; because I use CC for convenience (and the FF points) not because I don't have the money for the purchase.

Maybe they should require those who have never had a CC before or have a low credit score to do some online training and a test before being allowed to get new/more credit?
 
If it wasn't a trap the rate would not be 20%. I never understood why the CC interest rate is fixed at around 20% for all reward cards even at times when we had close to zero RBA rates.
Don't you feel bad that your business class award flights are paid for by people on poverty line or people living paycheck to paycheck? I know it's a hard one.
 
Don't you feel bad that your business class award flights are paid for by people on poverty line or people living paycheck to paycheck?
I do, but I don't think it is as cut and dry as that. There are millions of CC customers out there from personal to business. For many it bridges expenditure to income and the interest may just be a cost of doing business. Not everyone is going to be the consumer in over their heads.

If we were earning points off of payday loans, then I would find it a moral concern.
 
If it wasn't a trap the rate would not be 20%. I never understood why the CC interest rate is fixed at around 20% for all reward cards even at times when we had close to zero RBA rates.
Don't you feel bad that your business class award flights are paid for by people on poverty line or people living paycheck to paycheck? I know it's a hard one.
its not as straight-forward as that

how many points do I earn if I spend nothing?>

that's right ZERO - there's no dividend from the other spenders if that happens to be your monthly spend
 
Don't you feel bad that your business class award flights are paid for by people on poverty line or people living paycheck to paycheck?

No because I am not responsible for other peoples poor choices to apply for and use credit they cant afford. I don't lobby them to apply for credit, in fact my mantra is don't get a card unless you intend to pay it off in full each month.

Further, interest that isn't the sole way income is made by CC providers.

There are annual fees and also every time the card is used the CC provider earns a small % (0.5-3%) of the transaction amount. Given the amount I send on my cards each, the CC providers clip of my spend more than covers the FF points they buy for me. So my FF points are funded by me not the people who pay interest (although they do fund the banks profits).
 
No because I am not responsible for other peoples poor choices to apply for and use credit they cant afford. I don't lobby them to apply for credit, in fact my mantra is don't get a card unless you intend to pay it off in full each month.

Further, interest that isn't the sole way income is made by CC providers.

There are annual fees and also every time the card is used the CC provider earns a small % (0.5-3%) of the transaction amount. Given the amount I send on my cards each, the CC providers clip of my spend more than covers the FF points they buy for me. So my FF points are funded by me not the people who pay interest (although they do fund the banks profits).
Drug dealer can also say " I am not responsible for other peoples poor choices"...

You are right that points earned by spend are mostly paid for by either merchants or customers but I think the core business model of CCs is waiting for a prey to fall into a debt trap, helped with some baiting (sign-up bonuses).

Airlines are hooked to this debt business too, 25% of Qantas profit is now selling points to banks...
 
Drug dealer can also say " I am not responsible for other peoples poor choices"...

Flawed analogy and far from the same thing.

A drug dealer is providing an illegal substance, harm is all but guaranteed even if the user doesn't overdose.

A better example is car manufactures. They make cars that can be driven at unsafe speeds and cause damage if driven irresponsibly. No one says BMW/Audi/Ford/<insert your car brand of choice> are responsible when hundreds of people are severely injured or die in car crashes each year. They sensibly blame the driver (or other hazard) that caused the crash.

A bank providing a legal product which can be used harm free is very very different, to a drug dealer. And there are safeguards in place re qualifying for credit, how credit can be advertised etc.

And me having a points earning card which I pay off in full, has absolutely no influence whatsoever as to whether someone else uses credit irresponsibly or gets in over their head.

So why it may be sad that many make dumb financial decisions; it is no way my or any other responsible credit users fault that they do.

The information needed to educate one self on credit and improve financial literacy is freely available.
 
and please stay away from reverse mortgages - the bank getting its claws on your assets legally
Why is this such a problem for you? My late mother took one out, and it paid for several years of full-time care at home, where she wanted to stay. A perfectly legitimate borrowing situation.
 
There has to be some personal responsibility.
True, but they are still a trap for some. Not everyone is as capable/smart/educated as you. It is not like they do an intelligence test along with the credit check.
 
Why is this such a problem for you? My late mother took one out, and it paid for several years of full-time care at home, where she wanted to stay. A perfectly legitimate borrowing situation.
its not the borrowing

its the repaying that's the problem - I doubt the financial institution waived the loan obligation, and later in life many aren't earning the income to repay it either. if the choice is inheritance or the banks, I know which I'm choosing

just because one ages and gets infirmed ought be no reason to "spend their own cash" on (at home) support but it seems we prefer it that way - there is a fair point that those over 60 no longer working pay no (or little) income tax so if on the off chance they are sick and need support that this ought be self-funded instead of via Medicare, public hospitals, home care packages and aged care (only 160,000 people)

the lottery of health and wealth
 
its not the borrowing

its the repaying that's the problem - I doubt the financial institution waived the loan obligation, and later in life many aren't earning the income to repay it either.
I can't see the problem. She borrowed money against her house. We pay it back on selling the house. I can't see why it shouldn't be repaid.
 
This is getting a bit philosophical so I’ll add a couple of cents while it’s the flavour du jour…

Taking the Drug Dealer analogy down a different path, is it the User’s fault they started taking and became addicted? Yes, on many levels. But why did they feel the need to do this in the first place? I’m lucky enough not to know from personal experience, but I can assure you they must have been in a pretty terrible place to feel that was the only way out. Does that make them responsible for their addiction?

No one is perfectly savvy, witty, all knowingly Street smart and with such emotional and intellectual prowess that they aren’t entirely fallible. Some people will make a mistake with credit card debt because of a lack of financial awareness, some might choose the wrong Frequent Flyer program to credit their miles to from a lack of awareness in this FF game we play, while some may not have even had responsible, loving, caring parents under a safe shelter or any form of education to afford them many basic understandings in life. There’s lots of ways to look at it, especially if we’re judging from our entitled, privileged armchairs.

I hate big business, especially the banks. I hate that many of their business models are specifically designed to target the vulnerable. And it grinds my gears when our taxpayer funds are dwindled away on the futile efforts of our egotistical, self absorbed and power hungry Politicians whom have the ability to address many of these issue but choose not to do so because of “politics”.

So while some may call credit card interest a stupid tax, I would call it a learning opportunity. I’m all for ownership and responsibility, but sometimes some compassion and humanity is also warranted.
 
Great news. The more profitable credit cards are for banks, the more generous they will be with sign-up bonuses.

Don't you feel bad that your business class award flights are paid for by people on poverty line or people living paycheck to paycheck? I know it's a hard one.
I read an article a while back suggesting that credit cards are another "rich get richer" or regressive tax, eg. People who don't need them benefit (through points while paying no interest) while those in debt suffer & pay.

Per other comments I figure the banks would be at least breaking even from merchant fees? Maybe not as quick as if interest was incurred, yes, but there must be a fair few people who pay off in full each month...
 
Ya might be surprised how much the fees actually are

Yknow that unsolicited Platinum card they sent out
Well those merchant fees are higher than the mere gold or lower card

I would note the M card rates sit at a max of 0.88% which is about 0.4% lower than when I last looked a few years ago

Qantas fees are this 0.88% rounded up to nearest 10 cents
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Next time you're churning a CC don't feel sorry for the bank, they don't offer those sign-up bonuses out of charity for you, they want you to one day become the part of that $3.6 billion a year pile....
Well said but....

Points and sign up bonuses are one of the reasons interest rates are high on some credit cards.

The board of directors don't care that the lowest of income earners struggling to survive after spending their hard earned on the pokies and not on their family.

Drug dealers don't care about the people hooked on drugs.

Banks and credit card providers don't care about the people accruing interest on credit card or line of credit facilities.

If you've never been stuck in one of these cycles you have zero clue. Some people end up not being able to afford high repayments. Pay monthly minimum on one card, use available balance to pay another card and so on and so on. And on top of interest we have cash advance fees as the money is moved around which I don't think is included in debt total. Oh and missed repayment fees and late payment fees are also very high.

Don't put all the blame on the person that's in debt. It may not always be entirely their fault. Easy way out of hard times, poor management or blackmail could be some of the reasons they get trapped. We should be doing everything we can to help not jussaying "I'm responsible, thus has nothing to do with me".

By the way if I'm not mistaken some interest rates are 22.99% or 23.99% if not higher.
 
Pay monthly minimum on one card, use available balance to pay another card and so on and so on

This isn't possible. No Australian CC provider allows you to use a CC to pay off another CC - there are banking regulations that prevent this.

poor management
Just proving the personal responsibility (or irresponsibly) argument.

We should be doing everything we can to help not jussaying "I'm responsible, thus has nothing to do with me
So what do you do to help? Do you coach anyone in financial literacy?

Or are you proposing responsible credit users pay off the debt of the irresponsible? Noting that we already via taxes provide safety nets for low income earners and unemployed.

There are banking regulations to comply with to qualify for credit, if an individual lies on an application that they cant afford then they have decided defraud the credit provider - so why should an honest customer need to be involved in this criminal situation?

Annual fees and rates go up as credit risk increases, lower limit cards without rewards have no annual fee and interest rates around 10%. Low income earners don't qualify for a black card with 22% rate.

The fees and interest rates are all disclosed up front when you apply - no one can honestly say they didn't know, as you sign off on them when you apply.

Legislation also require credit providers to print on the invoice/statement the impact of only paying the minimum repayment. Clearly says if you only pay the minimum of $xx it will take you xx years to pay off the balance etc. It's on the front page.

I certainly hope those saying how terrible CC are here, don't themselves hold a card as that would be hypocritical.
 
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