ANA - 5 Star Airline?

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Just thought I'd post a little feedback on a recent SYD-HND-PEK-HND-SYD (J) booked using LifeMiles. Total cost was about $2200 return so I can't complain too much really.

I'd never flown ANA before and had very high expectations given the "5 Star Airline" title that they push.

SYD-HND

Checkin
I arrived fairly early (3 hours prior to departure) and the desks had been up and running for a while it seemed. There was a fairly long line for both Business and Economy. Checked in after about 15 minutes. Standard outport checkin experience.

Lounge
AirNZ lounge as expected. I've only ever used this lounge late at night (after the last NZ departure) and have found it to be consistantly disappointing. The bar has always been closed as soon as the last NZ flight departs. It was fine for a J lounge (although I wasn't impressed when I was here as a F passenger and told if I wanted a drink my only options were what's in the self-serve fridge).

Boarding/Departure
Flight left ontime. Crew were very friendly and had excellent English skills to match my terrible Japanese. Amenity kit was basic however there were some good amenities in the bathrooms. PDB was an absolutley awful "sparkling wine" served in a plastic cup (not a plastic wine glass.... a cup!)

Seat/IFE
The biggest letdown. The seat, while ok, was far too short for my 180cm frame. I had to sleep in a weird S position. The aisle seat was also very exposed (make sure you select the "window" seats). There was a matress that helped to soften the seat a bit. Storage was non-existant. I had to leave my iPad, wallet etc just sitting on the side table. Fortunatley, the crew weren't storage naz_s and simply said "make sure you careful of things for takeoff". IFE was very average. Limited English options and TV shows only had an episode or 2. I didn't even use it. I slept pretty well in the bed, but I was pretty inebriated which certainly helped.

Food/Drinks
The entire meal service felt very cheap. It began with some canapes however these were served off a tray in little plastic shot glasses. It's hard to explain, but picture a flimsy plastic shot glass served at a gay bar in Sydney after 10pm with a gerkin and some salami in it. These were walked around on a tray by the crew and you simply grabbed a few when they were presented. Meal was served on one tray, as I'd imagine it would be in economy, and I found the Japanese option (fish) to be dry and tasteless. I picked at it and basically left it all. Drinks, however, were served promptly and the crew were proactive with refills (which I find is unusual for an Asian carrier). I enquired about some Sake and one flight attendant took it upon herself to run me through all of the options including what her preference was, and then carried out a sample selection for me before coming back for feedback afterwards (again, the crew were excellent). After the main service, ANA operate an on-demand meal selection for the remainder of the flight (and no scheduled Breakfast service). I was just browsing the menu to see what was in it and a flight attendant appeared out of nowhere to ask what I wanted (which was nothing at that point!). It's almost like there are cameras watching you... I ended up having the ramen before arrival in HND which was actually really good. The "no breakfast" setup seemed to confuse the Australian passengers who were sitting and waiting for something after waking up. An Aussie guy tapped me on the shoulder and asked if they were serving breakfast, so I guess I somehow look like someone who knows what's going on :-|

Arrival
HND is a real pleasure compared to NRT. We were very quickly on the subway into Tokyo.

HND Lounge
Good overall. Nice selection of buffet and made to order food. Good booze selection (including the self-pouring Asahi machines). Nice views out over the tarmac. The dragons were very strict with entry requirements. There was an American man and wife (plus young child) at the door and they weren't letting him in as his UA status only allowed one guest and they were counting the child. I even walked up and said I was a friend of theirs and the kid can come in with me, however as "only business class passenger" that wasn't cutting it.

HND-PEK-HND
Regional 777 and Intl 787. The regional seat is just fine for the shorter hops. It's a typical recliner seat that was comfortable. No PDB. Drinks offered before the meal with rice crackers. Meal was again served all on one tray. It was again pretty disappointing on both sectors. Service excellent on both legs and drinks constantly topped up. I think it was a bit of a novelty to have two younger Westerners on these flights as the crew were falling all over us compared to the other passengers.

HND-SYD
Pretty much a repeat of the way over. Food was again average. Service wasn't quite as good on this flight however the crew responded quickly to the call bell. I asked for a Cointreau from one crew member and over the next 5 minutes 3 different crew proceeded to bring me 3 little bottles... again, slept well! I ordered the ramen again coming into Sydney and it took 45 minutes and was delivered as the seatbelt sign came on.


Overall, I wasn't impressed with ANA to be honest. The seat is a little small for a Westerners frame and the IFE terrible. The catering is very average and has a cheap economy feel to it. The service from the crew was excellent (especially on the SYD-HND. Imagine a QF flight attendant bringing you 3 drinks in one go without giving you the RSA lecture...). I think ANA might be kidding themselves with the whole "5 Star" thing. I still much prefer CX and they remain my choice for Asia. I'd almost lean towards saying that QF would be the better choice on the SYD-HND-SYD route (provided you fluke a good crew).

I have to go to Europe in about a month and ANA are coming up as a First option. I may give that a try as a comparison, however I won't rush back to Business.
 
Overall, I wasn't impressed with ANA to be honest. The seat is a little small for a Westerners frame and the IFE terrible.

My experience was on the long haul 777 (SIN-NRT), and I thought it was fine. But on the redeye (midnight departure) coming back HND-SIN, had the regional (short haul?) 787 ... cradle/recliner style pod seats. Awful for an overnight flight.
 
For intra-Asia I've found ANA to be very good. Service excellent. The steak is always good. Little touches have been downgraded (no more pre-meal crackers served in paper boxes wrapped in a big blue bow). For short flights the IFE and meal on one tray was never a problem. I could understand if they replicated that for long haul it would probably appear below competitors.
 
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Skytrax rates a mixed bunch of airlines as 5*. Looks like QF and JL (both not rated 5*) offer better products on this route.
I'm interested to try NH (as part of mixed LM itinerary to/from Europe) but many reports I read about the SYD route are not very positive, especially the ex-HND flight. Lack of legroom is a major concern, especially on an overnight flight. Combine that with limited catering and that's enough for disappointing J experience even before we talk about service, IFE, etc.
 
Thanks for that commentary - very useful.

I'll certainly remember this review if I am ever offered a choice of taking ANA. I took a look online to see their different seat maps on their planes, and there's so many variations, seems even worse than Qantas!
 
I'll certainly remember this review if I am ever offered a choice of taking ANA. I took a look online to see their different seat maps on their planes, and there's so many variations, seems even worse than Qantas!

japan airlines also has about 3000 seating configuration. But unlike QF, with JL and NH you don't book a full flat bed / suite and then have it subbed for angled. You know what you're gonna get.
 
Interesting review. I'm booked to try their F from HND to LHR next year. hopefully the meal service will be a bit better than what you experienced.

i will say i find asian carriers pretty liberal with alcohol. At least EVA / OZ / SQ / TG have been generous whenever i've flown them.
 
Just thought I'd post a little feedback on a recent SYD-HND-PEK-HND-SYD (J) booked using LifeMiles. Total cost was about $2200 return so I can't complain too much really.

I'd never flown ANA before and had very high expectations given the "5 Star Airline" title that they push.

SYD-HND

Checkin
I arrived fairly early (3 hours prior to departure) and the desks had been up and running for a while it seemed. There was a fairly long line for both Business and Economy. Checked in after about 15 minutes. Standard outport checkin experience.

Lounge
AirNZ lounge as expected. I've only ever used this lounge late at night (after the last NZ departure) and have found it to be consistantly disappointing. The bar has always been closed as soon as the last NZ flight departs. It was fine for a J lounge (although I wasn't impressed when I was here as a F passenger and told if I wanted a drink my only options were what's in the self-serve fridge).

Boarding/Departure
Flight left ontime. Crew were very friendly and had excellent English skills to match my terrible Japanese. Amenity kit was basic however there were some good amenities in the bathrooms. PDB was an absolutley awful "sparkling wine" served in a plastic cup (not a plastic wine glass.... a cup!)

Seat/IFE
The biggest letdown. The seat, while ok, was far too short for my 180cm frame. I had to sleep in a weird S position. The aisle seat was also very exposed (make sure you select the "window" seats). There was a matress that helped to soften the seat a bit. Storage was non-existant. I had to leave my iPad, wallet etc just sitting on the side table. Fortunatley, the crew weren't storage naz_s and simply said "make sure you careful of things for takeoff". IFE was very average. Limited English options and TV shows only had an episode or 2. I didn't even use it. I slept pretty well in the bed, but I was pretty inebriated which certainly helped.

Food/Drinks
The entire meal service felt very cheap. It began with some canapes however these were served off a tray in little plastic shot glasses. It's hard to explain, but picture a flimsy plastic shot glass served at a gay bar in Sydney after 10pm with a gerkin and some salami in it. These were walked around on a tray by the crew and you simply grabbed a few when they were presented. Meal was served on one tray, as I'd imagine it would be in economy, and I found the Japanese option (fish) to be dry and tasteless. I picked at it and basically left it all. Drinks, however, were served promptly and the crew were proactive with refills (which I find is unusual for an Asian carrier). I enquired about some Sake and one flight attendant took it upon herself to run me through all of the options including what her preference was, and then carried out a sample selection for me before coming back for feedback afterwards (again, the crew were excellent). After the main service, ANA operate an on-demand meal selection for the remainder of the flight (and no scheduled Breakfast service). I was just browsing the menu to see what was in it and a flight attendant appeared out of nowhere to ask what I wanted (which was nothing at that point!). It's almost like there are cameras watching you... I ended up having the ramen before arrival in HND which was actually really good. The "no breakfast" setup seemed to confuse the Australian passengers who were sitting and waiting for something after waking up. An Aussie guy tapped me on the shoulder and asked if they were serving breakfast, so I guess I somehow look like someone who knows what's going on :-|

Arrival
HND is a real pleasure compared to NRT. We were very quickly on the subway into Tokyo.

HND Lounge
Good overall. Nice selection of buffet and made to order food. Good booze selection (including the self-pouring Asahi machines). Nice views out over the tarmac. The dragons were very strict with entry requirements. There was an American man and wife (plus young child) at the door and they weren't letting him in as his UA status only allowed one guest and they were counting the child. I even walked up and said I was a friend of theirs and the kid can come in with me, however as "only business class passenger" that wasn't cutting it.

HND-PEK-HND
Regional 777 and Intl 787. The regional seat is just fine for the shorter hops. It's a typical recliner seat that was comfortable. No PDB. Drinks offered before the meal with rice crackers. Meal was again served all on one tray. It was again pretty disappointing on both sectors. Service excellent on both legs and drinks constantly topped up. I think it was a bit of a novelty to have two younger Westerners on these flights as the crew were falling all over us compared to the other passengers.

HND-SYD
Pretty much a repeat of the way over. Food was again average. Service wasn't quite as good on this flight however the crew responded quickly to the call bell. I asked for a Cointreau from one crew member and over the next 5 minutes 3 different crew proceeded to bring me 3 little bottles... again, slept well! I ordered the ramen again coming into Sydney and it took 45 minutes and was delivered as the seatbelt sign came on.


Overall, I wasn't impressed with ANA to be honest. The seat is a little small for a Westerners frame and the IFE terrible. The catering is very average and has a cheap economy feel to it. The service from the crew was excellent (especially on the SYD-HND. Imagine a QF flight attendant bringing you 3 drinks in one go without giving you the RSA lecture...). I think ANA might be kidding themselves with the whole "5 Star" thing. I still much prefer CX and they remain my choice for Asia. I'd almost lean towards saying that QF would be the better choice on the SYD-HND-SYD route (provided you fluke a good crew).

I have to go to Europe in about a month and ANA are coming up as a First option. I may give that a try as a comparison, however I won't rush back to Business.

Why do you rate CX so highly? Not disagreeing, just haven't flown business class with them. Their economy product was good.
 
Flying long haul F on the 777 they are really good.I enjoyed the service,meals,wine and seat.IAH and SFO -NRT.
However flew the 787 NRT-SIN in J and was very disappointed.Would not do that option again.
 
Why do you rate CX so highly? Not disagreeing, just haven't flown business class with them. Their economy product was good.

I find it to be consistent. That's about it.

Bed is comfortable. Service fast (very important on short overnights). Food is fine (nothing special, but nothing has ever been awful). Service is very typically HKG - not overly personal, but efficient and available to be called upon.

I like that I can get on the plane and know exactly what I will get.

I will admit that they've slipped a little over the last year or two, but still solid overall. The HKG lounges are also excellent (and that's what cements them above SQ in my book)
 
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