United fly most frequently USA <--> Australia

[Mwenenzi]

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January 2024 BITRE report now out.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/International_airline_activity_0124.pdf

UA had an Inbound load of 70% and an outbound load of 59% across all services.

Rivals:
DL: Inbound: 72.9%, Outbound: 63% (Across the 2 per day (double daily) SYD services)
AA: Inbound: 88%, Outbound 73% (Single daily SYD-LAX).
QF: Inbound 83%, Outbound 74% (Across all services primarily from the East Coast).
Numbers are for non-stop flights only.

Where does QF's SYD-AKL-JFK flight, on single flight number, get counted?
AU to USA (as many will be ticketed) or AU to NZ, given some only travelling SYD-AKL?. Or in NZ govt stats?
Air NZ has a good market for some pax AU-AKL-USA, but 2 flight numbers.

 

[levelnine]

I'm interested in the potential of booking a United flight using Velocity points from EWR to HNL direct in Polaris. I can see 'United First (JN)' availability on the United website but only Economy on the Virgin website on the same date. Is it possible that the United (I) will be released at some stage and at that time it will appear on the Virgin website and can be booked with Velocity points?

Alternatively, we could look at departing the mainland USA from SFO if there's better availability there.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

To be honest, you're unlikely to get saver award space on either route. J on domestic routes to Hawaii are super competitive so airlines rarely have to release saver award space — people are willing to pay higher dynamic prices.

Having a quick look, there's not a single saver seat on either route in either direction for the next 365 days.

 

[Mwenenzi]

There appears to be a lot of over stayers or there are a huge amount of RTW flyers! ie those stats are just wrong?

Agree. Its not like from India or China with big numbers of students arriving January. So effectively one way.
For visitors from USA and visitors to USA would expect will even out month to month. May be corrected in Feb when folks go home. And the same stat for Dec may show something

 

[SeaWolf]

According to the Jan stats from BITRE, United do fly most frequently between Australia and the USA.

Carrier	Inbound Flights	Outbound Flights
Qantas Airways	215​	208​
United Airlines	225​	225​

These numbers do not include NZ.
United had more flights than Qantas in Dec 2023 as well.

 

[SYD]

According to the Jan stats from BITRE, United do fly most frequently between Australia and the USA.

Carrier	Inbound Flights	Outbound Flights
Qantas Airways	215​	208​
United Airlines	225​	225​

These numbers do not include NZ.

So they’ve ignored QF3/4?

 

[SeaWolf]

So they’ve ignored QF3/4?

That specific flight I'm not totally sure on, but United's flights to NZ are definitely not counted.
I would think it counts as a flight to NZ, rather than the USA, since it doesn't operate to the USA from Australia.

That flight does get counted as a flight to the USA. If you look at British Airways in the tables those flights count as flights to the UK, even though they stop in Singapore.
United's flights to New Zealand are definitely not counted though, as they don't continue on to Australia.

 

[Mwenenzi]

That specific flight I'm not totally sure on, but United's flights to NZ are definitely not counted.
I would think it counts as a flight to NZ, rather than the USA, since it doesn't operate to the USA from Australia.

That flight does get counted as a flight to the USA. If you look at British Airways in the tables those flights count as flights to the UK, even though they stop in Singapore.
United's flights to New Zealand are definitely not counted though, as they don't continue on to Australia.

That flight does get counted as a flight to the USA. If you look at British Airways in the tables those flights count as flights to the UK, even though they transit stop in Singapore

 

[pauly7]

January 2024 BITRE report now out.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/International_airline_activity_0124.pdf

UA had an Inbound load of 70% and an outbound load of 59% across all services.

Rivals:
DL: Inbound: 72.9%, Outbound: 63% (Across the 2 per day (double daily) SYD services)
AA: Inbound: 88%, Outbound 73% (Single daily SYD-LAX).
QF: Inbound 83%, Outbound 74% (Across all services primarily from the East Coast).

Numbers are for non-stop flights only.

Loads for UA weak, we’ve suffered from multiple UA cancelations of late for our business, maybe them trying to consolidate to save money?

 

[serfty]

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