New Qantas route - Perth to Paris from July 2024

[Himeno]

The QF request for capacity on France Route 1 has been posted on the IASC website.

The letter asking for the capacity was sent to IASC on Nov 3. I do have to wonder why they can make a public announcement about the route and start selling tickets, then not start on the requirements needed to actually make the flights happen for a week after. I would have expected they would make the IASC submission at the same time as the public announcement.

As expected, they have asked for 2.0 units.

https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/20231103%20QF%20letter%20to%20the%20IASC%20FRANCE.pdf

 

[RooFlyer]

I do have to wonder why they can make a public announcement about the route and start selling tickets, then not start on the requirements needed to actually make the flights happen for a week after.

They have form in selling tickets on flights that will not or may not materialise.

 

[OZDUCK]

The QF request for capacity on France Route 1 has been posted on the IASC website.

The letter asking for the capacity was sent to IASC on Nov 3. I do have to wonder why they can make a public announcement about the route and start selling tickets, then not start on the requirements needed to actually make the flights happen for a week after. I would have expected they would make the IASC submission at the same time as the public announcement.

As expected, they have asked for 2.0 units.

https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/20231103%20QF%20letter%20to%20the%20IASC%20FRANCE.pdf

Isn't that normal practice for airlines? As I recall, Turkish Airlines recently made a big announcement about flights to Australia without getting permission for their desired/necessary Singapore pickup and drop off of passengers.

 

[encryptededdy]

I do have to wonder why they can make a public announcement about the route and start selling tickets, then not start on the requirements needed to actually make the flights happen for a week after. I would have expected they would make the IASC submission at the same time as the public announcement.

I guess this is why the flights have the "Subject to Regulatory Approval" disclaimer on the website.

I assume they wouldn't submit it before because they didn't want their new route "announced" by IASC, but I'm not sure why they had to wait a week. I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter when they submit if it was going to happen after the press announcement anyway.

Isn't that normal practice for airlines? As I recall, Turkish Airlines recently made a big announcement about flights to Australia without getting permission for their desired/necessary Singapore pickup and drop off of passengers.

True, although TK weren't selling tickets, whereas QF are. With that said, I feel it's pretty common for me to see airlines selling tickets with that "subject to government and regulatory approval" disclaimer on new routes.

 

[Himeno]

I assume they wouldn't submit it before because they didn't want their new route "announced" by IASC, but I'm not sure why they had to wait a week. I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter when they submit if it was going to happen after the press announcement anyway.

IASC tends to post new submissions within 1 business day. They should be able to factor that into their announcement planning (or request that IASC not post it on their site until a given date).

Ideally, they should be able to announce a route and send the submission to IASC at the same time.

 

[Danger]

I guess this is why the flights have the "Subject to Regulatory Approval" disclaimer on the website.

I assume they wouldn't submit it before because they didn't want their new route "announced" by IASC, but I'm not sure why they had to wait a week. I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter when they submit if it was going to happen after the press announcement anyway.

True, although TK weren't selling tickets, whereas QF are. With that said, I feel it's pretty common for me to see airlines selling tickets with that "subject to government and regulatory approval" disclaimer on new routes.

Interestingly, I don't see the same disclaimer on the promo page.

 

[InfrequentEconomy]

Any more news on what lounge will be on offer?

I'm Qantas Club so don't have the luxury of just picking another OneWorld.

 

[Himeno]

Any more news on what lounge will be on offer?

I'm Qantas Club so don't have the luxury of just picking another OneWorld.

I'd expect them to use an Air France lounge given their existing codeshare agreement.

 

[jrfsp]

I'd expect them to use an Air France lounge given their existing codeshare agreement.

QF will be flying out of T2A, so id expect them to use the CX or AA lounge when / if they reopen.

Other OW airlines in T2A are using 3rd party lounges for the moment.

 

[PERLHR]

QF will be flying out of T2A, so id expect them to use the CX or AA lounge when / if they reopen.

Other OW airlines in T2A are using 3rd party lounges for the moment.

In a way I hope so...QF using the AF lounge would not surprise me however they seem to be willing to bed everyone except One World! ..where is the BA lounge? T2D I guess...

 

[SYD]

In a way I hope so...QF using the AF lounge would not surprise me however they seem to be willing to bed everyone except One World! ..where is the BA lounge? T2D I guess...

BA uses the CX lounge (which is quite decent).

 

[jase05]

where is the BA lounge? T2D I guess...

I can’t recall them having one.
Pretty sure for last visit we were directed to a contract lounge.
There’s a CX lounge also

 

[jrfsp]

I can’t recall them having one.
Pretty sure for last visit we were directed to a contract lounge.
There’s a CX lounge also

Correct no BA lounge, only AA and CX, both of which have closed / yet to reopen.

 

[PERLHR]

Correct no BA lounge, only AA and CX, both of which have closed / yet to reopen.

BA app seems to direct pax to Extime lounge..T2.

 

[kpro]

Was directed to the extime lounge when I flew BA out of CDG. Not terrible for a contract lounge, decent food and alcohol and not too crowded. Likely because they don't accept Priority Pass.

 

[OATEK]

BA app seems to direct pax to Extime lounge..T2.

But Extime service 2B/2D - not sure you can get there airsside from 2A.

 

[Mwenenzi]

InfrequentEconomy Welcome to AFF

Any more news on what lounge will be on offer?

I'm Qantas Club so don't have the luxury of just picking another OneWorld.

Very likely will not be a QF operated lounge, so probably no Qantas Club access.

From the OW web site for CDG

Airport Lounges: oneworld Lounges & Airport Lounge Access

Enjoy airport lounge access at 600+ airport lounges worldwide through your oneworld Priority tier. Exceptions may apply.

www.oneworld.com

A range of lounges used, mainly 3rd party. Some listed as "temporarily closed".

 

[InfrequentEconomy]

They use a paid lounge in Rome which is a seasonal that allows Qantas Club access (Plaza Premium). Qantas Club can be used "partner lounges". You might be thinking of one-off invitations that need to be Qantas operated.


They would have to offer one. They need somewhere to stick the Business Class passengers. I can't see any world they wouldn't offer one.

 

[Digicola]

CDG is currently going through a game of musical chairs with terminal 2A-B-C-D opening and closing for renovations that *should* be over before the Olympics. QF will be with AA and BA in T2A when that reopens, currently they’re operating out of T2B I believe? AA and CX lounges will be open by then worry not.

I’m more surprised they didn’t slap a AF codeshare and operate from 2E. Me thinks they want to milk the high yield olympic traffic and introductory passengers and will miraculously come to an agreement with AF after a season or two.