The demise of Qantas international flights

[wandering_fred]

Ahmm, have you seen the earning chart for QFF flying Malaysia? it's awful

About the same as E, O and Q class earn from QF to AA....

For AA I need a way to find M and K fares on MH. Looks like a TA task as they don't show on the MH website.
And yes, economy credit from MH to AA is better than to QF.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[A330]

Thankfully when I made Gold, it became a moot point, but that had me wondering how they made any $$ out of me, if I only chose to fly other carriers, and yet I still had QF lounge access.

If you fly other carriers but are crediting to QF, they make money when the operating airline you flew has to purchase QFF points. Then once you access a QF lounge when flying another carrier, the operating carrier pays QF for your entry to the lounge.

 

[BD1959]

Then once you access a QF lounge when flying another carrier, the operating carrier pays QF for your entry to the lounge.

Do we know for certain that this cross-revenue stream exists? I was looking through BA's published accounts when the whole QC vs Galleries-thing kicked off to see whether there was any evidence of QF paying BA for QC card-holders' use of BA Lounges, but could find nothing - mind, the level at which airlines report their figures meant that if it did exist, it would have been buried about 6ft under the reporting level.

Regards,

BD

 

[Archphoto]

If you fly other carriers but are crediting to QF, they make money when the operating airline you flew has to purchase QFF points. Then once you access a QF lounge when flying another carrier, the operating carrier pays QF for your entry to the lounge.

Aha! So why would they not extend if they don't actually fly the route as well, if you have paid to be a QP member? (eg: BKK-HKG I fly CX because QF doesn't service that particular route.)

They already have the hard cash from membership, or do they feel that payment for it is worth much less than a person who is happy to fly on other carriers other than QF, yet still use their lounge?

Not trying to cause a fight, just wondered why it can be used by some and not others, yet the circumstances are the same (non-serviced route)?

 

[Mattg]

Agreed - never thought of this before but makes perfect sense. Obviously a premium holiday destination and if QF have been successful with NOU and HNL then I cant see why MLE wouldn't be similar. I know EK run Suites to MLE so there must be demand for premium travel.

You're exactly right, EK do operate first class there - I believe the aircraft routes SIN-MLE-DXB. QF could potentially fly PER-MLE, with connections from the East Coast, and connect to EK's MLE-DXB service. (Someone suggested that QF could continue onto DXB, but my point is that this seems a little superfluous since EK does already).

 

[MH_fan]

Awful beats zero. Then there's the actual flight experience ....

Exactly. The SCs are what's more valuable though.

 

[Shorns]

You're exactly right, EK do operate first class there - I believe the aircraft routes SIN-MLE-DXB. QF could potentially fly PER-MLE, with connections from the East Coast, and connect to EK's MLE-DXB service. (Someone suggested that QF could continue onto DXB, but my point is that this seems a little superfluous since EK does already).

They also run suites to Adelaide too, which surprised me, but apparently there's a big enough market from the Arab countries going over to Kangaroo Island (probably true actually, it's now cheaper to go to KL and Air Asia than catch the ferry over!)

 

[KPerth]

I find it is disappointing that no airline, including Qantas, fly PER to Tokyo direct. This is a route I have used, as have our international guests. What is the problem with having a weekly direct service?

 

[MH_fan]

I find it is disappointing that no airline, including Qantas, fly PER to Tokyo direct. This is a route I have used, as have our international guests. What is the problem with having a weekly direct service?

Well, the only airlines that can possibly do a non-stop PER-Tokyo would be QF, JL or NH.

 

[wandering_fred]

I find it is disappointing that no airline, including Qantas, fly PER to Tokyo direct. This is a route I have used, as have our international guests. What is the problem with having a weekly direct service?

The same issue that exists with having two flights daily PER-SIN. :shock:
And yes I flew the PER-NRT route, though I prefer a stop in SIN,TPE or HKG on the way to the USA.
JAL does code share on the QF PER-SIN-PER flights and MH is also now a fair connection in KUL.

If you have guests arriving from the USA, the CX premium economy fares to PER (assuming advance purchase and not high holiday seasons) are quite reasonable. Alas, CX Y+ is less economical exOz or exSEAsia. But consider QF management didn't (and apparently still don't) think Y+ is appropriate for A330s, except on Jetstar where it is called business. And mileage only accrues to QFF.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[whatmeworry]

I completely agree. I'm not sure Brussels would be the city of choice for a second (or third!) European flight, but BER or CDG would seem to be no brainers!

Honestly no goes to Brussels unless they are a politician. BER might be a popular choice but the fact remains FRA is still the major hub city of Germany if not continental Europe.

 

[Mattg]

Honestly no goes to Brussels unless they are a politician. BER might be a popular choice but the fact remains FRA is still the major hub city of Germany if not continental Europe.

Yet QF stopped flying there

 

[moa999]

BER is the oneworld AB hub but FRA more popular for business which you need for premium cabins.
Same story with KUL and MH versus SIN, which is why RedQ might have helped.

 

[cosi]

I find it is disappointing that no airline, including Qantas, fly PER to Tokyo direct. This is a route I have used, as have our international guests. What is the problem with having a weekly direct service?

+ 1

And do not forget about the freight carried, especially live crayfish.

 

[Mattg]

BER is the oneworld AB hub but FRA more popular for business which you need for premium cabins.
Same story with KUL and MH versus SIN, which is why RedQ might have helped.

BER and FRA both have their advantages. As you say, FRA is a business hub. BER also has its merits as a destination. Ultimately though, I would say that at least 80% of passengers would be connecting to another destination regardless. QF's moves from SFO to DFW and from EZE to SCL in recent years have been done to connect to the hubs of AA and LAN respectively, so why not connect to airberlin's hub?

To be honest, I'd be happy if QF flew to either of the two - be it FRA or BER.

 

[whatmeworry]

BER is the oneworld AB hub but FRA more popular for business which you need for premium cabins.
Same story with KUL and MH versus SIN, which is why RedQ might have helped.

Despite Air Berlin's name, their other major hub is DUS. I don't which is more important but both are different sides of Germany but DUS biggest advantage is it is in the North Rhine-Westphalia region that has a huge catchment area of people.

 

[Limewood]

Good old DUS, gee brings back memories for me, booked last minute to huge Int. Trade Fair there in 80's, only accom. left was boarding, as it tuns out stayed in a house right in airport grounds, guy was aircraft electrician and could he and his wife drink!. The rear where i was had this huge picture window facing the staff swimming pool, funny thing was, quite a few of the young ladies sunbaked in the nude.

 

[A330]

Do we know for certain that this cross-revenue stream exists? I was looking through BA's published accounts when the whole QC vs Galleries-thing kicked off to see whether there was any evidence of QF paying BA for QC card-holders' use of BA Lounges, but could find nothing - mind, the level at which airlines report their figures meant that if it did exist, it would have been buried about 6ft under the reporting level.

Regards,

BD

I can't say for sure regarding QF, but I can for AB. AB doesn't have its own lounge at TXL - only an "exclusive waiting area". As such, AB pax with oneworld status may use the BA lounge under oneworld access rules. They can also access the AF lounge, as this is the designated lounge for AB J pax. You cannot sample both, as the lounge dragon will refuse entry to the second lounge. You are told it is because AB won't pay for access to two lounges for the same pax.

Aha! So why would they not extend if they don't actually fly the route as well, if you have paid to be a QP member? (eg: BKK-HKG I fly CX because QF doesn't service that particular route.)

They already have the hard cash from membership, or do they feel that payment for it is worth much less than a person who is happy to fly on other carriers other than QF, yet still use their lounge?

Not trying to cause a fight, just wondered why it can be used by some and not others, yet the circumstances are the same (non-serviced route)?

My guess would be that QF hasn't factored in the cost of offering that into the price it charges for QP membership. Alternatively other airlines may not want to open their lounges to too many people - paid membership for lounge access is largely a US/AU thing.

 

[Archphoto]

My guess would be that QF hasn't factored in the cost of offering that into the price it charges for QP membership. Alternatively other airlines may not want to open their lounges to too many people - paid membership for lounge access is largely a US/AU thing.

Seems shortsighted; they're happy to allow people into lounges if they don't fly on their metal (even if they actually offer the route) but for those who fly on routes they don't offer, and actually pay for lounge access - seems they get lost in the cracks. Oh well, guess it's just one of those things that QP holders just have to live with.

 

[Mattg]

Just found this... If you scroll down you can see a list of all the destinations which Qantas have ever flown to, with the places they no longer fly to in purple and listed as terminated . There are a lot more terminated routes than I thought.

Qantas destinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia