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    Which upgrade comes first?

    I would like to know this too. From reports it seems the points waitlist is 72 hours from flight. upgrade bids are 48h. I'm not sure what happens when you put in both.
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    Hilton Price Match Guarantee

    I am the OP and let me clarify. Also as background context, I have been using BRG for almost a decade with dozens of successful claims. 1) The T&C you did not follow is clearly outlined "The same accommodations must be available for booking at a qualifying lower price in the currency of the...
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    Hilton Price Match Guarantee

    That is not how the BRG works, and has never been how the BRG works. You never book the room from the third party. It also doesn't include special limited time promos such as third night free (though may include discounted rates but third night free is completely different) This is very DYKWIA...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    I mean we don't disagree at all. But that's completely separate to the point that availability is definitely not a factor of value that Vic is arguing. That's the only point I am arguing against.. which is silly for the exact reason that it is both subjective AND not unreasonable that...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    You still are not understanding what value means in English. Value for loyalty points are based on multiple factors, not just one. It definitely can NOT be measured using one factor. To claim that reward availability is not a factor in determining value of FF points (and there is only a single...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    Ok, I didn't realise I've been lucky for over 10 years until just two weeks ago. I must be a 50 time lottery ticket winner! And no, that is not my expectation whatsoever. My expectation is there would be AT least one flight with more than 2 J seats for ANY flight on ANY domestic J route at the...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    There is another thread at the top of AFF talking about the dripfeed. Are you sure that these flights are available for the 15,500 standard rate (and not a ridiculously marked up price like 50-100k points a ticket?). I should clarify that we are talking about availability of standard rate as per...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    No, because I still can't reliably book my dripfed velocity flights for my family of 4 regardless of date. On the other hand I've mentioned like 6 times in this thread of any positive changes as they happen, so I'm not denying or gaslighting anyone. I was even the first to confirm that the J...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    I also experienced this and would completely agree with you and not be concerned (which I wasn't); after all, being an avid collector and user of this route I am also used to ebbs and flows. This is until I was trying to book a domestic J for my family of 4, and saw that there was only a single...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    I like that quote but the difference is I don't really care if it's a xx_xx_ or deliberate, if the change is not reversed (which it still hasn't been) it's a change for the worse. If the Qantas website crashes and 404 error for 2 weeks then never comes back up, by then I really don't care if...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    Yes, it's a devaluation, and I am simply pointing it out. After all, isn't this forum a discussion forum about these programs? It's like going to a political forum and complaining someone is talking about politics and asking them why they care or are worried about bad changes to policy because...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    Again, you do not know the meaning of value or devalue or devaluation. You haven't really contributed anything but false info about Krisflyer redemption rate / fee and misunderstanding what devaluation means. Worth or value does not necessarily have to do with cost; this is basic English. You...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    So I created account 5 yrs ago to defame Virgin to defame velocity with.. the truth that J flights are being dripfed. I must work for Qantas and be a secret double agent. So secret that I myself don't even know who I am. I must also own all other 6 people in the other dripfeed thread and I am...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    Lack of availability is a devaluation if the availability was changed on purpose. The fact you can't see that is so ridiculous it hurts, lol. If Hilton suddenly decides to make standard rooms only limited to 1 standard room points redemption per date out of 8 rooms, that is a devaluation. If...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    I'm not sure which school taught you guys English, but devaluation literally just means they have less value. Less value does not have to come from the redemption rate, but can also mean redemption is not possible, is now harder (due to specific changes that are not a result of natural demand)...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    yes, please do leave them to the airlines. an anecdotal perception of Facebook complaints means nothing (and have existed in large numbers since the dawn of time).. I mean you're still excusing them saying things are slowly picking up.. hopefully they pay you well to keep defending them I'll...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    Oh please! This reminds me of the COVID excuse airlines are still using for everything. It is really not an excuse anymore. There are no restrictions and things have picked up full steam. I've also been able to contact call centers with little wait. You can no longer blame COVID for poor service...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    I don't think Velocity are monitoring my posts. Though I do think at least one velocity rep is monitoring "our" posts (this issue was raised over a week ago by AFF). For example Hilton, Marriott and Starwood reps. AFF isn't exactly a small unknown forum by any means. The domestic dripfeed was...
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    Velocity points now worthless in 2023 (extreme stealth devaluation)

    This is all irrelevant, I'm not asking what to do in the case of a major devaluation (I am a points user of lots of different programs and I am used to devaluations), I'm just pointing out there are major issues that are stealthed and my current concern is this because I have 1m points to use...
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