Yes, you can marry your niece!

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  1. Alanslegal

    Alanslegal Senior Member

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    Was doing some work related research and found this is very gross & very sickly - yes you can legally marry your niece, or nephew or cousin ..... SICK SICK SICK! :shock: :shock: :shock:



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    The Marriage Act prohibits people marrying:
    • an ancestor or descendant; or
    • their brother or sister (whether whole blood or half-blood siblings)
    These restrictions also apply to adoptive relationships even if these have been annulled, cancelled, discharged or cease to be effective for any reason (for example, a subsequent adoption order being made).

    This means, for example, that a person cannot marry their parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother or sister. However, (depending of course on the gender of the party) a person may marry their aunt or uncle, niece or nephew or ‘first’ cousin.
     
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  2. simongr

    simongr Enthusiast

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    What the heck line of work are you in?????
     
  3. Alanslegal

    Alanslegal Senior Member

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    A client married his niece and I'm like WTF?

    Didn't realise it was legal but still V sickly.
     
  4. MelUser

    MelUser Established Member

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    Moderators: I would like this post removed as it is irrelevant to flying and offensive.

    We have a forum member making negative comments and expressing his/her view on people who have complied with Australian law.
     
  5. oz_mark

    oz_mark Enthusiast

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    Wherever the law chose to draw the line there would be arguments one way or the other.
     


  6. The intellectual argument is interesting. Why bother with the Marriage Act when you can establish a relationship under the Property Relationships Act if you are a NSW citizen. I, like many believed that marrying one's niece went against the provisions of the Marriage Act but apparently not so! The Anglican Church gives a good guide to prohibited relationships but I can't remember if uncle/niece is on the list. These days de facto relationships are as if marriages until the relationship breaks down and parties have to undergo expensive common law action to divvy up the spoils.
     
  7. Travel Guru

    Travel Guru Established Member

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    I fail to see what any of this has to do with travel, I second the motion to delete the thread!

    TG
     
  8. mainly tailfirst

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    Hmm, since when has anything in Playground necessarily had to do anything with Travel?

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  9. NM

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    Please note that there is a "Report Post" facility on AFF. Click on the little red triangle with the "!" and an email is sent to the mods and Admin.

    You may not agree with the OP's views, but this was posted in the Playground forum which is specifically reserved for posting about off-topic things that are not relating to frequent flyer programs or other travel-related topics. I don't see that the post is in breach of the AFF posting guidelines. However, we will be watching and will close the thread if it degenerates into a slanging match or involves any personal attacks against any AFF members. Such action may also include a cooling-off period for transgressors.

    I suggest that if you don't like the discussion that you ignore the thread or even the entire Playground forum. If you find a post offensive, please report using the Report Post facility and your view will be considered.
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  10. Reggie

    Reggie Established Member

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    Does that mean we can abuse non AFF members and not risk such cooling off periods?
     
  11. Alanslegal

    Alanslegal Senior Member

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    As the OP I don't see anything offensive with my views.

    It's just a criticism of the law (somewhat towards the relationship side) but remember that there are many pieces of legislation out there, that we all have strong views for or against, eg. traffic law, somewhat leniency in criminal law sentencing.

    Plus there have been a few recent news stories similar to this thread which talks about similar incidents whether legal or not eg. Austrian father holds daughter captive has their children, the 60 minutes father-daughter couple, the separated brother-daughter at birth who were adopted to different parents only to marry 20+ years later without realising.

    Look, I am atheist if you are interested, in my eyes marrying your niece, cousin is weird and I criticize why it is legal, just like you may criticise receiving 2 yrs jail for attempted murder is crazy, or receiving a speeding fine for driving 3km/hr over is crazy - but the end result is, that's the law & we are entitled to our views.
     
  12. simongr

    simongr Enthusiast

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    I couldnt work out the adoption thing for a while - why would that be an issue. Then worked out you adopt a minor and then marry them later. I think the weird thing is that we need laws this convoluted to prevent weirdness...

    For the record I have no nieces.
     
  13. trooper

    trooper Established Member

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    You don't see a HUGE difference between brother/sister or parent/child and cousin/cousin? You do say "similar" after all....

    I sure do.... The child of your parents sibling? Rather distant relationship compared to those you are trying to compare it with surely? (and which ARE considered incestuous/illegal/immoral and just plain "off":D....)

    How do you feel about 2nd cousins? Would that be weird or not... and if not, why not? Is any level of "cousin" included? What "separation" is no longer weird.. and why?

    Serious question... if "cousin" is weird, then where is the line?

    If you want to be absolutist about it - and claim that any family relationship makes it "weird" then you better stay single.. if marrying within your own ethnic group at least, because you are almost certainly related at SOME level.....:mrgreen:

    To quote (badly) a favorite author.. if you are of (at least partly) UK stock.. when someone else says "I'm related to Robert Burns" (insert other famous UK figure if you like) immediately say "me too!".. as you probably are...;)
     
  14. Evan

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    I found the artical interesting....
    I of course fail to see it is a good idea.... but it is legal.

    Anyway i was reading somewhere a whole ago that the assumption that an interracial marriage the 2 partners had significantly different DNA was not always correct, apparently there can often be better bio-diversity within your own racial group.
    Yep strange i thought but it was in some medical journal or another if i recall so could have some basis for truth.

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  15. Alanslegal

    Alanslegal Senior Member

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    Well there has to be a line drawn and each person has their own attitudes , beliefs and values which would indicate that......

    However if a person thinks that there is always some family connection regardless of the level - no matter how big or small - then that person will should and probably remain single forever.

    I think uncles,aunts,nephews and nieces is just way too direct.

    To clarify my thoughts:-
    1st cousin? It is a little bit too close for my liking.
    2nd cousin? I would likely find this ok.
    3rd cousin? I would think is fine.

    Why? I can't explain it now but that's just what I think.

    Maybe I could give some examples? hypothetically,
    1st cousin - my daughter marries my brother's son
    2nd cousin - gets a bit more complicated
    3rd cousin - too hard to explain the relationship

    Uncle - Niece example, hypothetically
    My daughter plans to introduce her new fiance to the family, I am busy at the back attending to the barby with lots of lamb on the grill.
    Door bell rings!
    Daughter says "Dad, I want you to meet my fiance!" and he walks in. And I'm like "What? you're marrying Uncle Sam?"
     
  16. oz_mark

    oz_mark Enthusiast

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    And here is the problem, just where do you draw the line, and how would you write it up. I'm sure in the past, where people lived in towns of only a few hundred, cousins marrying was not an uncommon occurrence.
     
  17. Alanslegal

    Alanslegal Senior Member

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    Everyone has their own line but for me, I'd say 2nd cousins and beyond are Ok.
     
  18. opusman

    opusman Established Member

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    I'm curious what you're basing that on besides a general "it just seems icky to me" type thing.

    From what I understand the taboo (and subsequent legal prohibition) against close relatives having children (which after all is what the marriage ban is actually meant to prevent) is based on genetics - there is a significantly higher chance of genetic defects in the offspring of two closely related people.

    Presumably cousins/aunts/nieces/etc are not close enough to warrant that prohibition.
     
  19. Alanslegal

    Alanslegal Senior Member

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    I'm going to let this issue go, I have my views against being able to marry your niece or nephew.

    I do not have any scientific, religious, mathematical or logical explaination / research behind my opinion other than this:-

    Would YOU marry your brother or sister's daughter/son?


    The end from me.
     
  20. oz_mark

    oz_mark Enthusiast

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    There are lots of people in this world I wouldn't marry!
     

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