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Please Virgin, bring in lifetime status.

Does anyone know of any plans?

I think this is a real plus QF have over VA especially over getting government travel.

Thoughts?
 
Yep, would increase incentive to keep flying VA once you requal Platinum each year. Partner/family pooling not useful for some if their partner never flies.
 
I agree, it one of the major benefits that QA has over VA. It would mean once you finished all your business flying you can in your retirement access the benefits of a lifetime of loyalty. And if you bring it in, past loyalty should be considered.
 
And if introduced, should most definitely be calculated based on SC's earned since the SC concept was introduced!
 
I was thinking just that. Thoughts on if they'd do it from the start.... Surely?
 
I'd certainly hope that mileage earnt prior to the introduction of SCs were counted in some way if lifetime status came in to being..!
 
Which then becomes a long term "legacy" cost in the future.

There are arguments against this. Great from a pax viewpoint, not so clear cut from an airline viewpoint.
 
Which then becomes a long term "legacy" cost in the future.

There are arguments against this. Great from a pax viewpoint, not so clear cut from an airline viewpoint.

I'm not sure the cost is so great. For the majority (excluding a few members), LTG is achieved when old and unlikely to fly much more, but keeps the flying they do on Qantas, or, they're Platinum anyway, so LTG is useless, or they then switch to AAnother program... which means they aren't a burden on the system anyway.

Not that we'll ever know, but I'm sure the numbers of members with LTG using it are quite low, and of those that do, they either fly enough/nearly enough to achieve it anyway or use it once or twice a year, and keep their spend within the group.

I can't imagine any way you could look upon LTG members using their status in a bad way, as they're keeping spend on QF, when maybe they've been looking longingly at VA, SQ or even EK before this tie-up...

I know if I ever get there, the fact I'd have it would make me choose them over any other carrier (barring a HUGE price difference)... and if I did choose another carrier, I wouldn't be using the benefits anyway.
 
It's only a "cost" if the PAX are flying VA in the future...

Don't think its unreasonable to treat a multiple year frequent flyer well once they slow down
 
I think if they brought in lifetime levels like QF have, and they didn't apply previous SC's/Miles, it would generate a lot of bad press and sentiment.

Imagine someone that had WP legitimately earned (not matched) upon launch, and had stayed WP with either partner SG or WP since launch, then being told 'oh sorry your SC counter starts at zero from today for lifetime status'.

I'd be jumping to another airline pretty quickly in that situation.

There's a line. It's fine, but they have to figure out which is more viable for their bottom line of course.
 
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Imagine someone that had WP legitimately earned (not matched) upon launch, and had stayed WP with either partner SG or WP since launch, then being told 'oh sorry your SC counter starts at zero from today for lifetime status'...
QFF basically did this - I have over 200 flights from pre September 1998 that do not count towards my lifetime tally.
 
QFF basically did this - I have over 200 flights from pre September 1998 that do not count towards my lifetime tally.
Wow. Did not realise this (I was late to the party, only joining the day AN went under).
 
QFF basically did this - I have over 200 flights from pre September 1998 that do not count towards my lifetime tally.

This would be because tier credits (the precursor to status credits) were introduced in September 1998.
 
+1 this is a great idea..

Get rid of family pooling and bring in lifetime status.

Why? They could simply do both! You are going to get a lot of people disagreeing with you on this suggestion. They would then simply be the best FF in Australia.
 
I think LTS is a good sustainable idea (for all the reasons Sam mentioned) and they don't need to remove Family Pooling to do it.


Why people keep thinking one persons benefit needs to be trashed to provide another persons benefit is beyond me. All they need do, is base LTS on the members own account (not pooled SCs), like they do with elligible sectors. If AFF is any guide to the industry, younger flyers would appear to make up the majority, so ditching family pooling may alienate many of those younger flyers. Family pooling is also one of the very few schemes that VA have over QF. People keep saying VA should not emulate QF but then when the chips are down, state "ditch the difference we want the same"! Both can work with little extra cost to VA. Remember, continuous high tier flyers are more likely to NOT want to fly in retirement so LTS is not such a huge thing, but when they do need to fly, they are still tied to the airline who will give them a bite to eat pre-flight and priority boarding.

As for family pooling, I think it should stay (for the resaons given above) but it doesn't really help me. I make gold off my own flying, but even when family pooling I wouldn't reach plat under normal circumstances. That only occured with some bonuses like reward SC promos and it also meant we're flying flights I wouldn't have normally taken (both reward and paid)......doesn't that work for VA as well as me? They get rid of the reward overhead and earn some revenue too!
 
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On QFF it's 700 SCs to get gold and 600 to retain. That means around 10 years of flying at the gold level just to attain lifetime silver. Of course, some could earn the lifetime credits really quickly, but there's still a lot of money that pax has already thrown at the airline. As pointed out previously, people at that elite level are likely to be slowing down by the time lifetime status has any relevance.

If VA are really so opposed to lifetime status, perhaps they could find another way to express it... eg. Once you hold plat for 5 years, you're rewarded with silver forever, hold it for another 5 years and your gold sticks.
 
But then again my children will probably make LTG by around 25 years old because of all the SC's they earned (and status they have not really needed) that I paid for! That's why I like the family pooling.
 
But then again my children will probably make LTG by around 25 years old because of all the SC's they earned (and status they have not really needed) that I paid for! That's why I like the family pooling.
not if LTG is based on personal SC earn only and pooled SC's are ignored as suggested by swanning_it
 
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