Told to get J lost by AA. My first and last experience with the airline.

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So as a QFF Platinum member (OW Emerald) I was booked in J on JAL metal SFO-NRT but on AA flight number (ie codeshare). This flight was to be preceded by a hop from Reno to SFO about 3 hours earlier on United.

Fog at SFO, so United wasn’t allowed to depart Reno. Long delay, and I arrived at the JAL counterat SFO international terminal about 15 mins after the gate closed. JAL counter said I would have to re-book through AA. As no AA desk in the SFO international terminal, I used the ‘courtesy phone’ and got onto AA’s premium’ (forgotwhat they called it) help area.

I explained the situation – ie that UA flight delayed because of fog at SFO, missed AA flight and could I get on the following day’sflight please? To cut a long conversation short, the AA agent simply refused to re-book or otherwise assist me, in spite of the explanation, my COS and my One World status. She cited a ‘rule’ that if another airline makes you miss a flight, theyare responsible for making good – in my case, flying me from SFO to NRT. She said she could see a reservation for me already in the UA system. (And how that got there will forever remain a mysteryto me.) My reasoning that a) It wasn’t UA’s fault that there was fog inSFO and air traffic control prevented them from departing and b) I didn’t want to fly with UA counted for nothing. She absolutely refused tore-book or assist me. I assure you I was polite and reasonable at all times.

Bewildered, I walked to the UA counter and explained what Ihad been told. The agent there said,yes, they could see a reservation, but they couldn’t take me as there was noissued UA ticket and no reason – from their point of view – to issue one! That was fine, I said, just delete the reservation and I’ll go back to AA.

Back on the phone to AA premium line. Same agent. I explained that UA was declining to take me, and that sounded reasonable, as fog and air traffic control wasn’t their fault. Also the reservation had been cancelled by UA. The AA agent still refused pointblank to book me on an AA flight, saying I was UA’s ‘problem’ (!). End of conversation.

Still bewildered and wondering how I would get out of the USA, I went back to the JAL counter where by this time my bags hadarrived. I recounted what had happened. Wide eyed, with jaws agape,they simply said “No problem – we’ll book you as a JAL passenger"’. And they did. And I left on the next day’s flight.

So there you have it. Again, I assure you I haven’t left out anything material re AA and I was never rude. Their agent on the ‘premium’ phone line effectively told me to get lost because fog prevented my UA flight from landing and I missed the AA flight. Compare with the JAL reaction.

I complained to AA the old fashioned way, to the Australian Manager for AA. Eventually I got a reply, to theeffect: “The agent was completely wrong, gee, that shouldn’t have happened, sorry”.

That was my first experience with AA and, happily my last. With service like the above, can i wonder why AA is under bankrupcy protection?
 
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A couple of times you reference the UA Premium line - I assume you meant AA?

Just for clarity was this on a single ticket or two tickets? I am guessing one ticket as UA had rebooked you.

Not defending AA as I do not know the fare rules but you say it wasn't UA's fault due to fog but it also wasn't AA's fault either that you missed the connection...
 
Who's fault was it? I'd say it is UA'd fault but then if you are on separate tickets there is no flight protection..
 
Sounds like JAL stepped in and fixed it for you anyway, my question was also along the lines of two separate tickets or not? Booked through travel agent? I seems that either AA UA or maybe JAL rebooked you on the UA flight when you missed your original SFO-NRT leg.

I think you probably did alright getting the JAL flight rather than AA or UA. Did JAL put you in Y Y+ or in J? If you got J then I think JAL did everything they could, obviously AA were not as helpful and possibly UA tried to assist but failed to realise that you were actually booked on AA flight no but on JAL metal.
 
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Also totally confused.

Who issued the ticket?
Was it a single ticket, or separate segments?
 
It would have had to have been on the one PNR - there would have been no protection otherwise.

Personally, "Fog Happens" - I would not let such a situation prevent me from flying a particular airline.
 
who is normally responsible in the situation of ticketed by one carrier travelling on another? i would think the buck stops with whomever's name is on your ticket? In this case AA took the OPs money, they then put the OP on UA at their own responsibility - when the **** hit the fan they should've sorted everything out.

Not very reassuring from a OW carrier...
 
who is normally responsible in the situation of ticketed by one carrier travelling on another? i would think the buck stops with whomever's name is on your ticket? In this case AA took the OPs money, they then put the OP on UA at their own responsibility - when the **** hit the fan they should've sorted everything out.

Not very reassuring from a OW carrier...

Under the Montreal agreement: the contractual carrier is subject to the provisions in the agreement with regard to all the transportation envisaged in the contract and the de facto carrier only with regard to the transportation carried out.

Under guidelines set out by the US DOT:

DOT includes in its code-share approvals a condition that requires the airline that sells the air transportation (Ticketing Airlines) to accept responsibility for all obligations in the contract of carriage with the passenger for the entire code-share journey. Some airlines, however, have filed tariff rules that attempt to apply all or some of the Operating Airline’s terms and conditions. (Some airlines have no clear tariff rule for code-share services.) The Notice would require the Ticketing Carrier to review the contracts of carriage of its code-share partners, and clearly disclose to the passenger the areas in which the Operating Carrier’s policies and operations may differ from its own.

DOT Issues Guidance on Airline Baggage Liability and Airline Responsibilities for Code-Share Flights | News & Knowledge | Holland & Knight
 
Why did you book flights on rival airlines and expect them to help you if the other one delayed you?

If I missed a QF flight because my VA flight was delayed they'd tell me to go jump too.
 
Why did you book flights on rival airlines and expect them to help you if the other one delayed you?

If I missed a QF flight because my VA flight was delayed they'd tell me to go jump too.

Not necessarily, depends on ticketing, and why?
 
A couple of times you reference the UA Premium line - I assume you meant AA?

Just for clarity was this on a single ticket or two tickets? I am guessing one ticket as UA had rebooked you.

Not defending AA as I do not know the fare rules but you say it wasn't UA's fault due to fog but it also wasn't AA's fault either that you missed the connection...

Arrgh, sorry, yes AA premium line. Will edit my original post, thanks.

Separate OW ticket and US Reno-SFO ticket, but irrelevant to my argumat I suggest.

Of course, fog is Act of God so not AA's "fault", but given that Act of God, why on earth shouldn't AA re-book me?
 
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Of course, fog is Act of God so not AA's "fault", but given that Act of God, why on earth shouldn't AA re-book me?

You want connection protection on separate tickets due to an Act of God, that would put travel insurers out of business, and probably airlines to be frank. I suspect had you been flying Y you would have had to rebook yourself and pay for a new ticket as a no show.
 
Who's fault was it? I'd say it is UA'd fault but then if you are on separate tickets there is no flight protection..

It was nature's "fault" but AA's agent's fault (IMHO) for not recognising that and simply re-booking me, as opposed to fobbing me off to UA. Or does a missed flight due to weather mean you forfeit the fare?
 
Separate OW ticket and US Reno-SFO ticket, but irrelevant to my argument I suggest.
Not its not irrelevant. You miss a flight: its only your problem. All depends on the condition of your OW tickets
Many people have forfeited fares because they did not check in on time: a non linked tickets:- the reason does not matter
Or claim on your travel insurance
 
Why did you book flights on rival airlines and expect them to help you if the other one delayed you?

If I missed a QF flight because my VA flight was delayed they'd tell me to go jump too.


Sorry if i didn't make it clear in the original post. I missed my AA flight because of FOG - the UA flight wasn't allowed to leave Reno because it couldn't land in SFO.

I wasn't mad at UA - weather delays are common. But as a J pax and OW Emerald, i didn't expect AA to tell me to get lost, go to UA.
 
Sorry if i didn't make it clear in the original post. I missed my AA flight because of FOG - the UA flight wasn't allowed to leave Reno because it couldn't land in SFO.

I wasn't mad at UA - weather delays are common. But as a J pax and OW Emerald, i didn't expect AA to tell me to get lost, go to UA.

The fact you missed your second flight due to dog has nothing to do with anything when you are on separate tickets.

Technically you are on your own. It is the goodwill of an airline to rebook, not any other reason or obligation.
 
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