This is just bonkers!

[maninblack]

I need to fly MEL-BNE-SIN-MEL soon. Went on to qantas.com.au to get tickets. About $4,500 in business class if I fly EK metal with QF flight numbers for the two international sectors or over $7,000 to fly on Qantas metal. D'oh as Homer says! QF really are bonkers!

Btw, I need two tickets so that's a $5,000 difference.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

I need to fly MEL-BNE-SIN-MEL soon. Went on to qantas.com.au to get tickets. About $4,500 in business class if I fly EK metal with QF flight numbers for the two international sectors or over $7,000 to fly on Qantas metal. D'oh as Homer says! QF really are bonkers!

Btw, I need two tickets so that's a $5,000 difference.

so maybe QF is close to full and EK are struggling to fill it, who's bonkers now?

 

[moa999]

And a weird routing. I suspect EK struggles from BNE. If on QF code just book it

 

[maninblack]

so maybe QF is close to full and EK are struggling to fill it

QF showing availability both legs in I class so afraid not. Just selling cheaper seats on someone else's aircraft. The published fares should be competitive so it doesn't make much sense.

But yes Emirates almost has more widebodies in their fleet than they do citizens whereas Qantas barely has enough serviceable aircraft to fulfil their scheduled operations.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I need to fly MEL-BNE-SIN-MEL soon. Went on to qantas.com.au to get tickets. About $4,500 in business class if I fly EK metal with QF flight numbers for the two international sectors or over $7,000 to fly on Qantas metal. D'oh as Homer says! QF really are bonkers!

Btw, I need two tickets so that's a $5,000 difference.

Have you tried pricing it as BNE/SIN/BNE or BNE/SIN/MEL? All airlines have pricing anomalies.

What's the cost of J SIN/MEL/SIN? May be easier to position on a one way award to SIN - even in why & 'nest' the MEL/SIN for the next trip.

 

[Ansett]

as a reference MEL-SIN can see fares as low as $4080.00 return in J in July

 

[maninblack]

Have you tried pricing it as BNE/SIN/BNE or BNE/SIN/MEL? All airlines have pricing anomalies.

What's the cost of J SIN/MEL/SIN? May be easier to position on a one way award to SIN - even in why & 'nest' the MEL/SIN for the next trip.

I haven't tried all the various permutations, just went on line yesterday thinking I'd simply buy the tickets but was surprised with what came up given that discount business fares are available and I would like to fly QF metal. I'll throw it to my TA tomorrow, she's good on multi leg tickets. Will probably end up on SQ/VA !

 

[bsb]

So what's the issue? You're obviously not chasing QF SC's and you're willing to go for sub standard lounges with VA SQ.

There is a thousand ways to skin an airfare cat, so if it's QF your want, don't give up so easily.

 

[maninblack]

So what's the issue? You're obviously not chasing QF SC's and you're willing to go for sub standard lounges with VA SQ.

There is a thousand ways to skin an airfare cat, so if it's QF your want, don't give up so easily.

Quite right I'm not particularly chasing SC's though I wouldn't mind having them as this is my going back to Qantas year but I don't think I'll qualify as P1 this year even with them and I don't care all that much about lounges anymore, though SQ lounge in Singapore is pretty good anyway.

I felt like flying Qantas but I'm not about to chase after them when I can fly equally good airlines for so much less, even on a Qantas issued ticket, for goodness sake. I'll see what my TA comes up with.

 

[hossein_au]

I need to fly MEL-BNE-SIN-MEL soon. Went on to qantas.com.au to get tickets. About $4,500 in business class if I fly EK metal with QF flight numbers for the two international sectors or over $7,000 to fly on Qantas metal. D'oh as Homer says! QF really are bonkers!

Btw, I need two tickets so that's a $5,000 difference.

As I have been saying for a couple of years now, Qantas is increasingly becoming just a travel agent for Emirates. This has slowed down a bit recently, but it is nevertheless evident any which way you look at it.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

QF will not provide wide bodied planes to AKL, but are happy to sell tickets and seats for EK flights to AKL, CHC in J and F.
Maybe there is a cost saving measure in this, ie, we will sell tickets, but we will not have to provide any other services for those passengers who wish to fly EK, QF does not have to bear any cleaning expenses or baggage handling expenses, via letting EK have a profit share, but let EK and its agents handle all the sundry expeses with providing the tickets and seats.
Same could be said for QFi flights from PER and ADL. Letting EK fly the route ADL - LHR (via DXB) must save them heaps. OR PER - LHR (also via DXB).

 

[Mattg]

As I have been saying for a couple of years now, Qantas is increasingly becoming just a travel agent for Emirates. This has slowed down a bit recently, but it is nevertheless evident any which way you look at it.

I think QF have been making an effort on some routes to favour their own metal, especially to Europe. Obviously it doesn't seem that way in this instance though.

 

[yohy?!]

QF will not provide wide bodied planes to AKL, but are happy to sell tickets and seats for EK flights to AKL, CHC in J and F.
Maybe there is a cost saving measure in this, ie, we will sell tickets, but we will not have to provide any other services for those passengers who wish to fly EK, QF does not have to bear any cleaning expenses or baggage handling expenses, via letting EK have a profit share, but let EK and its agents handle all the sundry expeses with providing the tickets and seats.
Same could be said for QFi flights from PER and ADL. Letting EK fly the route ADL - LHR (via DXB) must save them heaps. OR PER - LHR (also via DXB).

The problem with taking the easy money by becoming a 'ticket clipper' for EK is the risk that pax will decide not to bother booking international with QF at all anymore (as 70%+ of the market already does) particularly as EK often undercut them on their coded flights vs the QF codeshare.

Not exactly a long term strategy for a sustainable international business!

 

[ozbeachbabe]

The problem with taking the easy money by becoming a 'ticket clipper' for EK is the risk that pax will decide not to bother booking international with QF at all anymore (as 70%+ of the market already does) particularly as EK often undercut them on their coded flights vs the QF codeshare.

Not exactly a long term strategy for a sustainable international business!

Where did you see the 70% figure quoted? That figure sounds a bit exaggerated IMO.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Where did you see the 70% figure quoted? That figure sounds a bit exaggerated IMO.

Not sure about that doubt actually. All the people we know now use EK for European (and other) legs instead of QF, or a minimum of EK metal on QF code share. QF have directly lost something like $100K to EK from our OS travel in last 18 months since it doesn't make sense to fly on QF metal anymore. (Despite currently being WPs.)

We are somewhat puzzled by the policy QF have adopted. It doesn't even make sense to fly QF across the ditch now since there's EK 380s filling the legs rather than tired 737s.

 

[amaroo]

Where did you see the 70% figure quoted? That figure sounds a bit exaggerated IMO.

70% was too generous.

QFI market share was only 14.9% in Dec 14

THE share of the international market held by Qantas International slipped below 15 per cent in December, amid further signs slowing capacity growth by foreign carriers is paving the way for increased airfares.Government statistics released today show Qantas International held 14.9 per cent of international travel to and from Australia in December, down 1.2 percentage points on the same month in 2013.
But it was a smaller slice of slightly bigger pie, with international passenger traffic in December up 2.9 per cent to 3.16 million compared to the previous December.

QF group wasn't much better at only 24.3%

The Qantas Group (QAN), including Jetstar and Jetstar Asia, accounted for 24.3 per cent of total passenger carriage to and from Australia, compared to 24.2 per cent the previous year. .

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[moa999]

Not sure about that doubt actually. All the people we know now use EK for European (and other) legs instead of QF, or a minimum of EK metal on QF code share. QF have directly lost something like $100K to EK from our OS travel in last 18 months since it doesn't make sense to fly on QF metal anymore. (Despite currently being WPs.)

And equally I know plenty of people traveling to Scotland, Ireland, Nordics etc who hated traveling via LHR and 2-stopping who had given up on QF and booking generally one of the ME group, but are now back booking the code share.

If you do a combination of domestic and international travel out makes sense to put everything in one program, unless you fly enough to get status on multiple programs

 

[TheInsider]

Still one of the highest market share out of Australia.

 

[madrooster]

We are somewhat puzzled by the policy QF have adopted. It doesn't even make sense to fly QF across the ditch now since there's EK 380s filling the legs rather than tired 737s.

If you can afford to "lose" a day travelling east to NZ, then that's OK. Travelling westbound however, EK's timings are perfect for having most of the day in AKL/CHC.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Not sure about that doubt actually. All the people we know now use EK for European (and other) legs instead of QF, or a minimum of EK metal on QF code share. QF have directly lost something like $100K to EK from our OS travel in last 18 months since it doesn't make sense to fly on QF metal anymore. (Despite currently being WPs.)

If you want to avoid QF then book EK marketed flight and credit to their Skywards program. If you're booking a QF marketed flight (EK metal) as mentioned above then you may as well book QF9 or QF1 from the get go as you're still 'flying QF'.

We are somewhat puzzled by the policy QF have adopted. It doesn't even make sense to fly QF across the ditch now since there's EK 380s filling the legs rather than tired 737s.

Like the above scenario where you're flying EK metal on a QF codeshare, the same applies trans-Tasman where 'flying QF' doesn't mean travelling on "tired 737s" and avoiding QF doesn't mean travelling on a QF codeshare flight on EK metal.