Thai Airways business class vs. Air Asia business class- is there a clear winner?

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Looking at a trip PER-CNX in J next year and weighing up the options. I can Lifemiles Thai Airways tickets both ways, or Lifemiles Thai out of Perth and AirAsia revenue back from Chiang Mai.

Taking AirAsia back is cheap cheap, and I have heard that their angled lay-flat business seats are pretty good. I also hear that Thai only have angled-flat business seats too.

I understand that AirAsia is a budget carrier, so the overall feel may be less classy. But having never flown either airline I'm interested in other people's opinions.

FWIW, the AirAsia possibility leg would be an overnight, so my primary concern is comfort for sleeping.


Thanks!
 
Thai will be much nicer
Air Asia won't be as nice, but is far greater value for money
 
Thai Airways is putting their brand new 787 Dreamliner with fully flat beds in business on the Perth route starting in a couple of months so should be miles better than AirAsia.
 
Agree with what is said above... IF Thai has full flats, they will be better. But depending on the cost saving, Air Asia would be a better choice if both were offiing angled beds (and with Thai you need to keep a close eye on equipment swaps).

The food and service on TG will be better... but lately their food has been a bit in decline. Air Asia will serve you a simple (economy) meal. But it will be served quickly allowing you maximum sleeping time.
 
Thai has a proper business class with much better food, wine, liqueurs, a decent entertainment system, nice amenity kits etc whereas Air Asia only has a lie-flat seat.
I personally don't like Thai's business class seat, the leg part of it is on a funny angle and I've always had trouble finding a comfortable position while trying to sleep but it's a good seat for a day time flight
Can't comment on Air Asia not having flown it personally
However, you should remember that you can always try upgrading your Air Asia ticket to their "business class" through Optiontown, I think it can be as cheap as $50 one way
http://www.airasia.com/my/en/inflight-comforts/optiontown.page
 
Thanks travelislife, I'd love to try the new dreamliner. I did a bit of looking on the internet and it indicates that the Dreamliner introduction has been pushed back to September from July, which is fine because I want to travel in February 2015. However, Thai's booking engine does not show any dreamliner scheduled in Feb 2015 yet.

sergeyvzn, I understand what you mean about the funny seat shape. Although I haven't experienced one yet, your comment is a common one and I believe all of you. Still, it has to be better than cattle class, for which revenue fares are only a couple of hundred cheaper than a Lifemiles J redemption. From Perth, I'm not sure if there are any other airline options that are significantly better when you take into account flight duration.

Good point MEL_Traveller about the equipment changes, especially if the dreamliner comes into play between now and then. From memory, award tickets that have equpiment changes need re-ticketing? Perhaps it's best to wait until closer to the date to book, especially with Avianca/TACA. The last thing I want to do is increase my chances of having to talk to their call centre.

I've looked on Thai's website to find out if their dreamliner has fully-flat lie-flat seats, but all signs point to a newer version of the angled lie flat. Who in their right mind would fit a dreamliner with angled lie-flats?!
 
Thanks travelislife, I'd love to try the new dreamliner. I did a bit of looking on the internet and it indicates that the Dreamliner introduction has been pushed back to September from July, which is fine because I want to travel in February 2015. However, Thai's booking engine does not show any dreamliner scheduled in Feb 2015 yet.

sergeyvzn, I understand what you mean about the funny seat shape. Although I haven't experienced one yet, your comment is a common one and I believe all of you. Still, it has to be better than cattle class, for which revenue fares are only a couple of hundred cheaper than a Lifemiles J redemption. From Perth, I'm not sure if there are any other airline options that are significantly better when you take into account flight duration.

Good point MEL_Traveller about the equipment changes, especially if the dreamliner comes into play between now and then. From memory, award tickets that have equpiment changes need re-ticketing? Perhaps it's best to wait until closer to the date to book, especially with Avianca/TACA. The last thing I want to do is increase my chances of having to talk to their call centre.

I've looked on Thai's website to find out if their dreamliner has fully-flat lie-flat seats, but all signs point to a newer version of the angled lie flat. Who in their right mind would fit a dreamliner with angled lie-flats?!

Thai hasn't updated it's schedule yet for post October flights. They are notoriously late for doing so, I wouldn't be looking into it too much.

From everything I can find they have said the planes will have lie-flat not angle-flat seating in business class.

I have flown both AirAsiaX's business class and Thai Airways business class. Using Lifemiles you are looking at around $1700 return or so I think for the trip which I think is great value on Thai with Business Class all the way to CNX. I am guessing AirAsia is probably around $1200-$1300 but your leg will be in economy for KUL-CNX. The two angled seats are comparable but Thai has a lot more pitch and general spaciousness in the cabin. Thai also has good IFE where as AirAsiaX is very average with a portable tablet. Thai has semi decent food where AirAsia is very average.

If my assumptions are correct (pricewise) I would pick Thai through Lifemiles for sure. The new aircraft is actually a capacity reduction going from 36 to 24 business class seats and 263 to 240 economy seats.

Also equipment changes don't require any re-ticketing. You probably won't even be notified if it is changed, it will be up to you to monitor your seat reservations if this happens.
 
the only issue remains that Thai could remove the 787 on any given day. Then you'd be spending $400 more (give or take) for a glass of champagne and a meal. It's a tough call.

Personally... I'd maybe go with Air Asia, save the LM miles, and add 'red carpet service' at points along the way where it's available.
 
Thai J will always be better than Air Asia X PE. But there will be quite a gap in the price paid.

As you are going from PER to CNX you will have to change at least once. Do you want an extended stopover anywhere?

The LCC's (and Thai) do change their schedules quite often - sometimes quite late - so if you have booked separate sectors you might have problems. That said the LCC's are a lot easier and cheaper to book one way sectors vs Thai.

If you want to go via SIN you can look at SQ, Tiger, Scoot, or Jetstar. The three LCC'S all have some form of PE or pre-bookable exit row seats.

If you go via KUL Air Asia X should now be based out of KLIA 2 and hopefully be linked by train into town (haven't been through the new terminal yet). Depending on what time the PER-KUL service gets in you may need to stay the night in KL - an hour away by taxi, or 30 minutes express train. If you want to sleep unless you are tiny you don't want to travel in Y (nine across A330 seats). That said I book Y exit row with Optiontown to PE. Last time I did this I paid $370 in total for a PE seat. (yes, I went to Bali via PER-KUL-BKK-DPS-PER with four different Air Asia's - X, AA, AA Thai, and AA Indonesia - because I couldn't find a cheap PER-DPS flight and I quite like KUL and BKK!). I haven't had any problems sleeping in these PE seats.

If you go via BKK then you may be stuck in BKK immigration for 45-60 minutes. I've never done Thai J so I don't know if you get into an express lane. Last time I flew Y was pretty empty - basically everyone had a free seat next to them.

AA Thai operates through DMK. Whilst it's not much to look at I find I get through there a lot faster compared to BKK.

I always book exit row - on AA it's cheap and nowadays it's being policed a lot more by flight staff as lots of passengers try sneak into them. Jetstar charge more but I usually can sleep on the red-eye from PER-SIN and then connect to wherever.

Food on all LCC's are the same - uniformly ordinary. Thai Y and J easily beats the LCC's.

So it all depends on what you want and what you are willing to pay for. Hope this helps.

I'm doing PER-BKK next month in Thai Y. I was originally planning / hoping to fly the 787 but literally days later I checked again and it had changed back to the A330. Spending one night in BKK before connecting to Norway on the Norwegian 787 in PE (cheap 46 inch pitch seats..)

CNX is lovely - enjoyed it a lot. Try be there on a Sunday for the Walking Market. :)
 
Thai J will always be better than Air Asia X PE. But there will be quite a gap in the price paid.

I wouldn't call Angled-Lie Flat PE, but more Business seat, Economy meal. As for the schedule changes, how often has D7 changed their schedule out of PER?

I guess it all depends on if the OP is fussed with the finer details or not.
 
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Thanks Paul,

I'm specifically looking for a quick and easy trip on a flat seat. Fastest route to destination, no stopovers, no carrier changes requiring additional imigration mid journey, and definitely something flat to sleep on during the red-eye leg. For on-board experience, the seat itself is the major drawcard for me. Flying PE and J has ruined Y for me, especially on red-eye flights. So I'm willing to pay a premium for J, as long as that premium ends up being only marginally more than standard Y. :) (spoken like a true AFFer :D )

At the moment I'm really liking the idea of even a chance of a full-flat dreamliner seat with Thai, though the propensity of Thai to change their schedules and require reticketing via Lifemiles call centre is something I'm wary of signing up for.


AirAsias Schedule doesn't seem to have any flights out of Perth at all in the first week of February. I need to be in CNX from 7-14 Feb 2015, and arrival and departure either side are flexible by a few days. So at the moment I'm thinking PER-BKK-CNX on Thai with LifeMiles, and the decision between AirAsia revenue J and Thai J Lifemiles on the CNX-BKK-PER leg is still a close call but I'm leaning towards one easy LM booking (that just needs super careful scrutiny for the next 8 months ):rolleyes:.

I don't think any other carriers with similar flight durations offer lie-flat seats? *Maybe* MH? I have a few USDM points kicking around that could come into play but haven't looked at availability or scheduling for them. SQ is out for price and lack of points (and I don't want to wait until T14 to book).
 
I wouldn't call Angled-Lie Flat PE, but more Business seat, Economy meal. As for the schedule changes, how often has D7 changed their schedule out of PER?

I guess it all depends on if the OP is fussed with the finer details or not.

Hmmm, I think on Air Asia PER-KUL I've only had one change - from morning to evening. This was years ago..

When AA changed their premium cabin from 28 to 12 seats a few years ago I was downgraded to Y on one KUL-PER. They refunded the fare difference which didn't help me sleep on that flight!

Intra-Asia on AA I've had quite a few changes. Usually only by a few hours and sometimes an opportunity to change to a better time slot for free.

Over the years I found Tiger to be the worst (of the LCC's) for cancelling flights / changing times. That said for leisure travel I tend to book quite a long way out when fares are on sale so the risk of changes increases.

My last flight on Thai from BKK-PER was changed from a morning flight to a red-eye so I elected to stay another night in Bangkok.
 
Thanks Paul,

I'm specifically looking for a quick and easy trip on a flat seat. Fastest route to destination, no stopovers, no carrier changes requiring additional imigration mid journey, and definitely something flat to sleep on during the red-eye leg. For on-board experience, the seat itself is the major drawcard for me. Flying PE and J has ruined Y for me, especially on red-eye flights. So I'm willing to pay a premium for J, as long as that premium ends up being only marginally more than standard Y. :) (spoken like a true AFFer :D )

Sounds like Thai all the way then.

More exotic routes I was thinking of (with only one stop) would include PER-HKT-CNX with VA and AA or Thai. 6.5 hours on a VA 737 to HKT would definitely be out of the comfort zone though.

Or PER-SIN-CNX, but I was surprised that there appears to be only one or two flights a day between SIN and CNX - Tiger or Silkair (3 hours on a A320).
 
please write a trip report on that! It looks fun! (and really cheap!)

I rarely see any posts about Scandinavia on AFF so I didn't bother to post about the same basic itinerary I did last year. Also, if possible on AFF, I flew too much last year so I never had the time or energy to post. :)

So from memory....

PER-BKK return was bog standard A330 Y on Thai. Nice cabins, nice meals, nice crew, and nice blankets. I rarely fly to BKK directly - I usually wonder via SIN or KUL or HKT... flew direct as I was going onto the Artic Circle for work and a conference.

Return leg was originally a morning flight. It was re-scheduled to a red-eye so I elected to stay an extra night in Bangkok and wait for a daytime flight.

BKK-OSL - morning flight on Norwegian 787 in PE. 27 seats I think. About 75% full in PE. Lots of staff travelling to OSL - management and cabin crew for training (not in uniform). Y had a decent load as well. All cabin crew were Thai except one or two Europeans. Mid-flight I took a walk and down at the back it was obvious that one of the European cabin crew members was running a class room for about 8 Thais (in uniform). Premium meals were nicely packaged in a box. Basically they lift the lid off and give you the box. Wine was offered with the meal with a refill if you wanted it. Water was available at any time but otherwise you had to buy anything else - ordered via your touchscreen.

Seat is quite comfortable but recline, etc is unpowered / manual. Touchscreen entertainment with USB power. I worked roughly half the flight and then napped. Bathrooms on the 787 are a little different - the door doesn't concertina but slides in as one piece. The tap is on sensor - habitually I wipe the sink down after I've finished but this just results in getting you hands and the sink wet again!! The big photo-electric windows seem to work quite well. The overhead luggage compartments are big - but if you are short you will struggle to get to the latch handles.

Didn't feel too bad after a 12+ hour flight. OSL immigration was quick so I collected my luggage, got my two jackets out, and then re-checked in for

OSL-TOS - a two hour flight on a 733. Ancient. Managed to book myself into the wrong seat - one row behind the exit. Pretty full and as it was late Northern autumn everyone has lots of jackets, etc. Lots of army cadets on board who strip back down to their thermals. I bought a Coke I think....

TOS-OSL - I managed to correct my return seating whilst in our Tromso office so this flight is definitely exit row. 733. Same vintage. Only 2+2 seats in the exit row. The window seat in the row behind has no seat in front of it so if you like window seats this is the place to be. Late, but then as we had to de-ice I wasn't complaining. Not something you see in PER too often. Express train into town and find my hotel where the conference is also being held. Beats getting up early in the morning and having to travel to a venue when it's zero outside.

OSL-BKK - late again, but this time due to a sick pilot on the proceeding ARN-OSL leg. We get into Bangkok at 9am instead on 7am so no great loss for me. Basically the same flight as BKK-OSL in reverse. 10.5 hours and I passed out from exhaustion and slept most of the way back.

So Perth to Norway in Y and PE return for < AUD 3k.

I'll take better notes next month. Have a few intra-Scandi flights on the Norwegian Air Shuttle 738's which have free wi-fi onboard....don't see that in Australia either!!:)
 
Air Asia X has a decent angled flat seat. For the price you can't beat it, especially if you are successful via the Optiontown upgrade. As it is a LCC, it will beat any of its equivalent competitors's Scoot or Jetstar business class recliner seat. However for comparison sake against TG, the angle flat seat is pretty much equal. TG meal and drink services beats it easily. TG has IFE and offers lounge access (with 30 minute massages at BKK).
 
So a bit of fun?

I was thinking it would be well and truly under $3K? - it's possible to do a Y and J mixed class for around $3K.

It was six flights in ten days so I was pretty ragged at the end of it. Flying on the 787 for the first time was interesting (would have loved to have not been working and accepted the second glass of wine). Had one full day off in Bangkok coming back otherwise I only played tourist for a couple of hours in Norway. Admittedly I have been there a few times before.

At the time of year I went the cheapest bearable (+ booking relatively late) alternative I could find was Y all the way for about $2.6 k with QF / Finnair / Norwegian on PER-SIN-HEL-OSL-TOS-OSL-HEL-SIN-PER. The only breaks would have been Tromso and Oslo coming back.

Flying SAS on the Scandi legs would have further increased the cost. Staff at my company tend to book their own itineraries. My boss prefers J with Qatar but I couldn't justify the $$ to myself for the type of work (and the conference) I was going over for. Y in Qatar didn't appeal. Some of the other senior staff like J with Thai for PER-BKK-OSL but I think the return trip involves a long stop in BKK. One person has done it Y with EK, QF to LHR, BA to Norway and then SAS - I thought she was crazy (it wasn't cheap and it was certainly the long way around)...

Next month it will be 8 flights, but thankfully spread over 21 days. :)
 
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