Tale of a pretty disappointing evening at Sydney airport

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Qantas just sent me a generic apology via email following the rather disappointing flight cancellation for my trip to Christchurch last Friday and asked for further feedback. After seeing what as going on over on the NZ South Island, I am actually quite happy to have never made it onto that flight but the overall experience that afternoon was just dismal and I have written it all down to send over to QF so I might as well share with you guys!

While I fully understand that those things can happen in bad weather to keep everyone safe, I think the way Qantas handled this situation was really really poor: I was in the QF lounge well ahead of my flight and got informed of the original delay through a txt message from Qantas. As a side, the message had a link to 'My booking' indicating you could get more info on your flight there, however the booking on the QF sytem still showed the original departure time so I wonder why that link was included in the message to begin with. But back to the main story: Upon asking the lounge desk, they confirmed the delay by 2 hours but still didn't make a single announcement on the matter. Just when it got close to boarding, we then could see the full cancellation on the screens. Once again, lounge staff was not very cluey and told us all to keep waiting until 'the cancellation is confirmed'. This happened about ten minutes later and we were all called to the lounge desk to discuss. After queuing there, the staff simply ticked us off a printed list and sent us down to the gate to organize everything further. I asked if I could cancel the entire trip which was a paid Business class ticket outbound and a Qantas redemption flight in EK First on the return. The lounge lady told me that this 'shouldn't be a problem' but I would be able to make this cancellation down at the gate. I was very doubtful about this imagining how the gate would look like but made my way there regardless.

As expected, the gate was an absolute mess and staff seemed extremely badly organised and unable to handle the situation. There was no separate priority line but at least the staff allowed me to cut the line when I told them I was in business class. However, they were generally very rude and tried to get me away from there as soon as they could. When I mentioned that I live in Sydney, I received a cab voucher to get back home but otherwise was told that I have to contact QF sales for any further info or help with re-booking. Turned out that also no one had told immigration that we'd be arriving at their desks soon without having flown so this created yet another big mess once the first of us arrived at the immigration desks shortly after. We waited in vain at the luggage belt that had been indicated to us by the staff at the gate and another QF employee guiding us back into the arrival area but found out later that the belt number given was incorrect and all our luggage was already standing in a big pile of mess next to another belt.

After finally clearing customs (at that point I had been at the airport for well over 4 hours), I went back up into the departure area in order to speak with someone at the sales desk. The poor lade there was the only staff member in sight and had to handle the nightmare that QF 7 was on the same day: Apparently that A380 had been several hours into the flight and then returned into SYD due to an oil leak and left several people stranded. Again, it seemed that QF handled this issue far less from ideal and among others were two people who were traveling for Business and now wouldn't make their conference anymore so all they wanted was to cancel their flight altogether but Qantas seemed to think they need to argue about the issue and refuse a refund for those people. I can very much understand why they were worked up and the poor sales lady handled the situation as well as she could but the counter was obviously totally understaffed for situations like that. I had to wait around in this area for almost two hours until I finally could get confirmation that I'd get my money and points back if I now cancel the trip entirely (I was meant to spend a delayed birthday weekend in New Zealand and due to fly back on Sunday already so it didn't make sense to fly out for just a day- I later found out that the flight on Saturday got even delayed further into the night so I am really glad about this decision!). Given that it was a QF cancellation, this could have gone much smoother in my eyes. When I had a similar issue with British Airways last year, even they (and BA is certainly not a shining beacon of customer service usually) handled the situation much more gracefully and instantly just offered a refund for the entire trip when the outbound turned out to be cancelled due to a Heathrow computer glitch. All in all, it seemed very poorly handled by the Qantas ground staff and the information flow was everything but ideal.

While waiting at the sales desk, a QF Operations employee showed up and told me that he was extremely 'pissed' about this flight himself as everything was a 'big bold mess' today. Needless to say- the intended birthday trip had turned into exactly such a big bold mess for myself and I was finally home past 10pm that night, completely drained from the experience. I am only posting this as I could imagine some people finding it an interesting read, I usually had much better experiences with Qantas in the past and was quite surprised how badly this was handled. In the end, I had a beautifully sunny Winter weekend in Sydney which was not that bad at all :)
 
To help provide a response, what did you request from QF in your comments to them?
 
Handled poorly yes, but I can understand the gate staff wanting to process pax ASAP to get them out of the area and prob make them Customs problem :D tbh I do not think they would be inclined to deal with canelling a reward booking and all that part of it when they have say 150 pax to try and process as quickly as possible.

Not meant as any kind of excuse for QF, but more trying to see it from the point of view of priorities for the agents.

I don't see why the lounge staff couldn't have assisted with this aspect since you were there, and they knew who you were (re "the list") unless it was decided to deal with everyone at the one spot which is entirely possible.

No doubt the QF7 issue had further impacted on the availability of staff to deliver and handle the displaced passengers. Again not an excuse, just reality.

I'm sorry your birthday trip was ruined by what occured, but it was weather related which is always difficult for all involved.

Had it been me I probably would have taken the cab voucher, got my stuff ASAP and called res to deal with the cancel part of it tbh. Everyone's different though.

I imagine QF would offer you points.

Good luck with getting a more satisfying outcome.
 
Handled poorly yes, but I can understand the gate staff wanting to process pax ASAP to get them out of the area and prob make them Customs problem :D tbh
I don't see why the lounge staff couldn't have assisted with this aspect since you were there, and they knew who you were (re "the list") unless it was decided to deal with everyone at the one spot which is entirely possible.
Agree, I've worked in many service jobs myself and can very well imagine that this evening was an absolute nightmare for the staff. But I felt especially bad for the lady at the sales desk upstairs in departures as she had to deal with far too much stuff that simply no one else wanted to deal with. But that's exactly what has to happen if almost all support staff gets outsourced to some anonymous call center and then there's no one in person who can assist when something bad happens so I don't let Qantas off the hook for it.

Why the lounge staff was so unwilling to help is still a riddle to me to be honest. We were about 5-8 people in total affected by the cancellation and I would have thought this could have MUCH BETTER be dealt with in the lounge then together with the 100 or so other passengers at the gate.
 
I was in the QF lounge well ahead of my flight and got informed of the original delay through a txt message from Qantas. As a side, the message had a link to 'My booking' indicating you could get more info on your flight there, however the booking on the QF sytem still showed the original departure time so I wonder why that link was included in the message to begin with.

Interesting you mention this point. I received a similar text from Qantas last Monday morning regarding a flight the following day. Go to the link and shows no delay. I landed up calling later on to confirm and was told that indeed there was a departure delay (still didnt show on the link sent to me). I had to be proactive in then pointing out that I would likely miss my connection in Sydney. Also travelling in J.
 
I received a similar text from Qantas last Monday morning regarding a flight the following day. Go to the link and shows no delay.
I would guess there are two systems not talking to each other (or at least not at the same time) but I'm no expert. In my case, even the lounge people found out later than I had received that text message which makes for some pretty embarrassing encounters with the airport staff! :eek:
 
In my case, even the lounge people found out later than I had received that text message which makes for some pretty embarrassing encounters with the airport staff! :eek:

Indeed.

I've rocked up at the lounge desk after receiving a cancellation alert (such as from TripIt) to be re-accommodated and the staff are usually not even aware of the disruption yet!
 
Interesting TripIt didn't show any changes either. Its like QF didn't put it into "that" system.
 
To help provide a response, what did you request from QF in your comments to them?
Oh- I didn't ask for any sort of compensation at all, it didn't even occur to me. As long as I at least get my money and points back as I had been promised... Of course, they could throw in some points to calm an otherwise happy (and almost entirely loyal) customer but I wouldn't even expect that.
It was Qantas who proactively reached out with their email and they very specifically asked to get back to them 'with any further feedback' that I may have. This was the reason I did even bother to write it all down, I otherwise wouldn't even have done it!
 
Indeed.

I've rocked up at the lounge desk after receiving a cancellation alert (such as from TripIt) to be re-accommodated and the staff are usually not even aware of the disruption yet!

+1 Tripit usually beats the dispatch call to the lounge, this situation sounds awful - I've had far better (albeit in the First lounge) experience whereby I was proactively rebooked on an alternative carrier, I didn't even need to leave my seat! Hope that's still the case as I chase WP again....
 
How do airlines not have better procedures to manage disruptions? These are the times when pax are mentally remembering everything and sharing the 'horror stories'.

Unless you're mid-itinerary with 4 children in tow, nowhere to stay and no means of communication with the airline - you should always think what option best suits you and just do it.
I wouldn't wait around to see what they're offering. It always leads to disappointment.
 
I wouldn't blame, couldn't blame the people on the ground who work or contract for QF, but I would see that upper management never foresee that things like this could and would happen.
If there was support from higher up, I am sure that things could have been handled better/done better.
People rely on the training they have received to do their work, if upper management at QF have not provided training, to prepare for things like that as related by the OP, of course things go belly up.
Please don't blame the QF staff/contract people in the lounge, or the QF people/contract people at the gate, blame middle or upper management at QF, who haven't done risk analysia/analysis, or done and plan for what if scenarios.
 
I cannot believe they decided that the best place to handle all this was at the gate.
Ridiculous.
 
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You probably could have resolved it on the phone while waiting for your bags. No need to stand in a queue at the sales desk .
 
I cannot believe they decided that the best place to handle all this was at the gate.
Ridiculous.
This was the weirdest part of it all to me as well. There was another affected guy just in front of me at the lounge desk and he got an instant hissy fit when he was told: "Oh nooooooho, after all this wait you now make us go down there?". I thought he was a bit overly dramatic but nevertheless- the gate situation indeed was messy for both us AND the poor staff :shock:
 
if you were fortunate enough to be in the F lounge, thats where i would have stayed for quite a while until they started looking for me :)
 
Sorry to hear. Very poorly handled.

From memory Qantas used to have an offsite disruptions team. Is this no longer the case or were they busy?
 
Sorry to hear. Very poorly handled.
From memory Qantas used to have an offsite disruptions team. Is this no longer the case or were they busy?
They might have been busy with the fallout of QF7 though these pax were also stranded and desperately trying to get some answers...

As an aside- I was wondering, does anyone know what happens to PAX from overseas who just intended to transit in Sydney but don't have an Australian VISA? I noticed that everyone at the gate got asked whether they first live in Sydney (like me, as I could be sent home very quickly with a Taxi voucher and that's it) or second have an Aussie passport or VISA. That made me wonder what happens to the ones who don't if the connecting flight out of Sydney is cancelled overnight. Do they get some sort of express clearance VISA for just the one night or is standard policy to let them sleep in the terminal/ in the lounges? I can't really imagine the latter but would be interested to hear?
 
Although I have only had a handful of major disruptions like this, in my experience QF has been by far and away the worst of the 'major / premium' airlines when it comes to handling a severe delay or cancellation. BA, AA and even AY have handled disruptions better for me (systems talking to one another, staff knowing what is going on, clear communication to all pax, status / first class pax being looked after even if not first in a queue etc etc). In one horrid experience earlier this year on domestic travel with QF (which I still can't bring myself to write about) it was a Jetstar flight - chartered by QF - which came to our rescue and it was only through the kindness and perseverance of Jetstar staff that we got where we needed to in time before the QF desk closed for the night and we would have been stranded in the Melbourne terminal. This included one Jetstar ground agent literally yelling at her QF counterpart over the phone to say there were passengers who were QF's responsibility so do not shut your desk until they all have accomodation and are booked on flights. There wasn't a QF staff member to be seen coming off their own chartered flight.
 
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