Stopover in LA on QF107/QF108 to New York?

[shearsense]

Folks,

while I understand that it is not possible to book QF107 as a standalone LAX-JFK domestic sector, it is possible to take a LAX stopover on this flight and continue onto JFK on QF107 rather than AA metal.

However, does anybody know if it is possible to arrive into LAX on another QF (or AA) flight and continue on to JFK on QF107 after a stopover? In my case, I am flying ex SYD via an Hawaiian break and wish to stop in LAX, but fly as many sectors on QF metal as possible on my way to JFK.

M

 

[djfuzz]

Yes!

Provided that you arrive on a QF flight on QF metal (eg one of the other eastern seaboard flights), then you can stop over in LA and take QF107 on to JFK.

Not sure what you mean by ex SYD via a Haiwaiian break though - you can't connect from LAX to JFK unless you've arrived on QF metal, not a QF flight number, and QF doesn't fly HNL-LAX. My understanding is that you can't connect if you arrive on AA metal, even if it is a QF flight number (not sure if you can connect if on QF metal but AA flight number).

 

[Evan]

What djfuzz said but i remember somebody here has got away with it before. It was with a ticket change after initial booking. (xONEx i believe)

QF107/108 will have the full F service but after SYD-LAX i was not all that interested... just wanted to be in NYC

If your one a RTW fare anyway what the AA first on a 3 class service ? i assume it can't be too bad... i got one of the new 757's for TATL flying JFK-DFW (2 class) and it was pretty comfortable actually.. enough to sleep.
So the 3 class 777's ? should be reasonable i would think.

 

[shearsense]

Thanks djfuzz,

Thats correct - QF don't fly Hawaii into LAX, but AA do and I still can't find it as a codeshare to be ticketed by QF - hence my question regarding "another QF (or AA) flight" . But I think you've answered the question as a definite "no" because I will be arriving on AA.

Cheers

M

 

[serfty]

AFAIK, Qantas permit QF108/QF107 between LAX and JFK to be only available for passengers who have one or more transpacific flights with Qantas on the same Booking.

According to Qantas it would otherwise be in breach of Cabotage rights.


The reality is that all that is required is for an international flight to/from the USA with any carrier be on the same itinerary, but Qantas choose their own narrower definition.

Having QF3/QF4 in the booking with an AA flight between HNL/LAX then QF107/QF108 between LAX and JFK would be ostensibly OK as HNL is within the USA.

 

[djfuzz]

Presumably you couldn't book QF107 LAX-JFK if you took the AA flight number for the transpac flight, even though it would have been QF metal, right?

 

[Evan]

Presumably you couldn't book QF107 LAX-JFK if you took the AA flight number for the transpac flight, even though it would have been QF metal, right?

Hmmm, thats a good question... QF would see in there booking system also as QF107/QF108 as they duplicate the entry for there own uses it seems so maybe they can see it as a QF flight.

 

[shearsense]

AFAIK, Qantas permit QF108/QF107 between LAX and JFK to be only available for passengers who have one or more transpacific flights with Qantas on the same Booking.

According to Qantas it would otherwise be in breach of Cabotage rights.


The reality is that all that is required is for an international flight to/from the USA with any carrier be on the same itinerary, but Qantas choose their own narrower definition.

Having QF3/QF4 in the booking with an AA flight between HNL/LAX then QF107/QF108 between LAX and JFK would be ostensibly OK as HNL is within the USA.

Thanks Serfty - QF3 is exactly what I have (psychic, mind-reading Moderators - scary!). But it doesn't give the QF107 option when I try to book online, so I am guessing that I may be able to force the issue if I do it by phone.

Cheers

M

 

[Homer]

Thanks Serfty - QF3 is exactly what I have (psychic, mind-reading Moderators - scary!). But it doesn't give the QF107 option when I try to book online, so I am guessing that I may be able to force the issue if I do it by phone.

Cheers

M

You can definitely do this. I did it two years ago - I flew SYD-SFO on QF and then, a few days later, LAX-JFK on QF107. But my TA didn't want to book QF107 at first - she told me I could only fly with AA. However I had read about the rule on this forum so after explaining that to my TA she booked the flight...

 

[NM]

What djfuzz said but i remember somebody here has got away with it before. It was with a ticket change after initial booking. (xONEx i believe)

Correct. Was originally booked as DONE4 with QF trans-pac. Then changed to a DONE3 using CX from HKG and the remaining flights remained. So the mistake was not picked up by the issuing agent (it was all change in a big hurry).

AFAIK, Qantas permit QF108/QF107 between LAX and JFK to be only available for passengers who have one or more transpacific flights with Qantas on the same Booking.

According to Qantas it would otherwise be in breach of Cabotage rights.

The reality is that all that is required is for an international flight to/from the USA with any carrier be on the same itinerary, but Qantas choose their own narrower definition.

Yes, that does seem to be the case. Or Qantas has a specific contractual commitment to USA FAA that only permits the QF entry/exit. Either way, they vigorously enforce the QF metal/code entry/exit requirement.

Having QF3/QF4 in the booking with an AA flight between HNL/LAX then QF107/QF108 between LAX and JFK would be ostensibly OK as HNL is within the USA.

I agree this should meet the criteria, though the on-line booking tools may not permit it. May need to be issued by an agent.

Presumably you couldn't book QF107 LAX-JFK if you took the AA flight number for the transpac flight, even though it would have been QF metal, right?

QF definitely require it to be QF metal and QF code for either entry into or exit from USA.

 

[shearsense]

As a piece of closure on this thread it turned out that it is indeed possible to do this, but only through an agent. However, by using QF metal into and out of LA with stops as specified in the the earlier posts - it is significantly more expensive than using one or two AA flights into and out of New York. Guess this is a natural consequence of a better aircraft and service on the LAX-JFK sector