QF to include fuel fines in Interational fares from 01JUL15

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Just came across this, announced today:

Earlier this year, Qantas announced it would gradually restructure its international tariffs so that fuel surcharges are absorbed into base fares.

This review is now complete and effective for all commercial tickets issued on/after 1 July 2015, where travel originates in Australia across the Qantas international network, fuel surcharges will be absorbed into base fares.

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Hoping this means some good redemption value for redemption bookings not having to pay fuel? Only mentions commercial tickets, we can only hope
 
Topic relates to the rolling of fuel surcharges into international revenue fares, not the reduction of Fuel surcharges on award flights.

International fare structure changes

Earlier this year, Qantas announced it would gradually restructure its international tariffs so that fuel surcharges are absorbed into base fares.

This review is now complete and effective for all commercial tickets issued on/after 1 July 2015, where travel originates in Australia across the Qantas international network, fuel surcharges will be absorbed into base fares.
We have also undertaken a review of fares effective for tickets issued on/after 1 July 2015 for travel originating in Australia across the Qantas International network. This follows the recent changes made together with Emirates to our First and Business class fares across our coordinated joint network.

Your corporate discounts currently apply to Qantas base fares excluding taxes, fees and carrier charges (such as fuel surcharge). From 1 July onwards the fuel surcharge will be absorbed into our base fares and your corporate discounts will apply to the adjusted base fare levels.

If you have any queries, please don't hesitate to contact us.

Yours sincerely,

Qantas Corporate Sales

Qantas Airways Limited


 
Aaahhhh. I totally missed this announcement.

So why not roll out the same change to award flights? Fuel surcharges on free flights earned from flying is embarassing to say the least.
 
Aaahhhh. I totally missed this announcement.

So why not roll out the same change to award flights? Fuel surcharges on free flights earned from flying is embarassing to say the least.

Double the cost of award tickets and this will happen :p
 
Or stop giving points away?

Qantas Frequent Flyer do not give points away - they sell them to 3rd parties who then make the points available to recipients.

Amongst others, these 3rd parties currently include Woolworths, Bankwest, (Qantas [the airline]) and American Express Rewards.
 
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Qantas Frequent Flyer do not give points away - they sell them to 3rd parties who then make the points available to recipients.

Amongst others, these 3rd parties currently include Woolworths, Bankwest, (Qantas [the airline]) and American Express Rewards.
Same same.

Bankwest is giving them away for 1c transactions. Qantas should care points are constantly devalued tarnishing their QFF program. Some people are earning over 30,000 points/month for an $120 bill or is it less? Makes a mockery of QFF.

Best not discuss the ATO. That's much worse on a much bigger scale.

Thank God Any seat awards no longer earn SCs otherwise I'd be afraid my Platinum status may start looking like Silver status.
 
Same same.

Bankwest is giving them away for 1c transactions. Qantas should care points are constantly devalued tarnishing their QFF program. Some people are earning over 30,000 points/month for an $120 bill or is it less? Makes a mockery of QFF.

Best not discuss the ATO. That's much worse on a much bigger scale.

Thank God Any seat awards no longer earn SCs otherwise I'd be afraid my Platinum status may start looking like Silver status.

Which does make you start to question the QFF business model. Sure they make loads of money selling the points to third parties such as banks, credit card companies, retailers etc, and then make extra money selling analytics on the data they aggregate from that.

But at some point, a critical mass of members may realise that their points 'have no clothes' - if the redemption options beyond Points + Pay are increasingly limited and when they are available the cash co-pays are so high that they effectively have a Points + Pay value anyway, they'll stop chasing them. Once they are tarnished in the eyes of enough members, it's hard to recapture the mythical value which has always been associated with them which no marketing spin can recover. That then damages the previously peripheral, now core, dollars and data business that's built up around them.
 
Which does make you start to question the QFF business model. Sure they make loads of money selling the points to third parties such as banks, credit card companies, retailers etc, and then make extra money selling analytics on the data they aggregate from that.

But at some point, a critical mass of members may realise that their points 'have no clothes' - if the redemption options beyond Points + Pay are increasingly limited and when they are available the cash co-pays are so high that they effectively have a Points + Pay value anyway, they'll stop chasing them. Once they are tarnished in the eyes of enough members, it's hard to recapture the mythical value which has always been associated with them which no marketing spin can recover. That then damages the previously peripheral, now core, dollars and data business that's built up around them.

With my M&A background (another life ...) I can guess when that point might come.

It will occur beyond 1 year after the QFF scheme is sold or floated off; maybe 3 years - whatever period is beyond Director's forecasts at the time of float.

Right now they still seem to be plumping up the business with all these new 'opportunities' such as golf, aquire etc.
 
Just checked 2 x Y award seats SYD/HNL/SYD fees etc, etc, around $500 each simply outrageous :evil:
 
With my M&A background (another life ...) I can guess when that point might come.

It will occur beyond 1 year after the QFF scheme is sold or floated off; maybe 3 years - whatever period is beyond Director's forecasts at the time of float.

Right now they still seem to be plumping up the business with all these new 'opportunities' such as golf, aquire etc.

I think you are on the money with this one. Although no doubt institutions and super funds will pile in if it floats, flipping it from a "emperor has no clothes" to a Ponzi scenario.
 
I think you are on the money with this one. Although no doubt institutions and super funds will pile in if it floats, flipping it from a "emperor has no clothes" to a Ponzi scenario.


don't see it being sold now or under current management. when share price was at its lows there was some chance but I think management has learnt that it is better to fully control it, where you can run specials etc to help demand (and thus shift profit) as well as it being a more consistent profit centre vav air operations.


also look at air Canada - whilst it got cash from selling Aeroplan it lost control and has recently relaunched Altitude as its frequent flyer program (albeit miles and redemptions are still in Aeroplan)
 
don't see it being sold now or under current management. when share price was at its lows there was some chance but I think management has learnt that it is better to fully control it, where you can run specials etc to help demand (and thus shift profit) as well as it being a more consistent profit centre vav air operations.

Not saying it will float. Rooflyer's point is that if it does, then the business may have jumped the shark.
 
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