QF to get A319 maybe

[meloz]

A little bird told me QF Link may be getting A319's. Has anyone else heard anything? Apparently crew will be on lesser rates than JQ.:shock:

Meloz

 

[pauly7]

This rumour has been doing the rounds for ages.

QFLink are casting about for a small jet extension and eventually replacement strategy for the 717.

Who knows what will happen!

 

[dk4]

One would imagine that group capital management, is playing off Jetstar's Airbus purchasing power against QantasLink's existing Bombardier relationship, to get the best possible deal for any "long & thin route" jets (that they might be considering), plus maybe even pushing Jetstar Japan's relationship with Mitsubishi and Embraer's proven Australian domestic market knowledge, to spice up the negotiations?

 

[here2go]

Bombardier C-Series is light on with orders - so they will be pushing hard to squeeze into the Australian market and shore up orders beyond 2015. They are bigger than the Embraers, but not as big as A319. Should be a nice replacement to 717, with the same style seating as well.

 

[dk4]

The Russians seem to have a bit of interest in their little jet, and who knows what effect an early Chinese purchase commitment might have in fast tracking Jetstar Hong Kong's regulatory approval (not to mention main land rights).

Boeing's 700max seems too big (but good for fleet commonality, and hey if you are talking A319neo may as well toss it in the mix), and Boeing could probably could do with some re-engagement from Qantas, after QF's most recent high profile announcement.

Great time to be tyre kicking this market anyway.

 

[here2go]

The Russians seem to have a bit of interest in their little jet, and who knows what effect an early Chinese purchase commitment might have in fast tracking Jetstar Hong Kong's regulatory approval (not to mention main land rights).

Boeing's 700max seems too big (but good for fleet commonality, and hey if you are talking A319neo may as well toss it in the mix), and Boeing could probably could do with some re-engagement from Qantas, after QF's most recent high profile announcement.

Great time to be tyre kicking this market anyway.

Sukhoi looks great, and I remember Pearl Aviation were looking at it at one stage, however, the PR job would be huge. Mount Salak Sukhoi Superjet 100 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Furthermore, how comfortable do you think people would be on Russian made metal?
Am also not sure how important Chinese metal would be for J*HKG, noting they can't get their RJ flying
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/08/uk-airlines-china-comac-idINLNE85700Z20120608

For Australia, IMHO, competition will be between Bombardier, Airbus, and next-gen EJets. Big question is who will fly them. Qantas wet lease the 717 from Cobham, so would they get them to fly a replacement, or if the want the Embraer, would the get AirNorth to wet lease based on their existing experience and facilities, or go in house?

 

[pauly7]

One would imagine that group capital management, is playing off Jetstar's Airbus purchasing power against QantasLink's existing Bombardier relationship, to get the best possible deal for any "long & thin route" jets (that they might be considering), plus maybe even pushing Jetstar Japan's relationship with Mitsubishi and Embraer's proven Australian domestic market knowledge, to spice up the negotiations?

I would be very suprised if the E-jets got up given their poor run with Virgin. I guess QFLink has more experience but the general consensus amongst the aviation crew on both camps is that the jungle jets have been nothing but trouble!

 

[here2go]

I would be very suprised if the E-jets got up given their poor run with Virgin. I guess QFLink has more experience but the general consensus amongst the aviation crew on both camps is that the jungle jets have been nothing but trouble!

Noting that there have been over 800 deliveries around the world, with over a thousand on order, Jungle Jets can't be all bad! I do know that the economics with the E170 weren't there for Virgin, which is why they got rid of them and kept the E190.

Personally, as a Y passenger, I find them more comfortable than 737s, assuming you've got a book to read. I've flown on them on some interesting routes - CBR-TSV, which was interesting from the perspective of seeing all the construction and hole digging in the Bowen Basin at 30,000 ft. Likewise AirNorth E170 was great last year for a DRW-OOL run via ISA. I must admit I was smitten with the "smoko" break in the middle, which allowed me to stretch my legs, and appreciate a complete lack of humidity compared with the storms of DRW, before moving on to a wet and miserable OOL. Seeing the Mt Isa Mine (another big hole in the ground) from the plane was also pretty cool. You might gather from this - I marvel at big man-made holes in the ground, and Jungle Jets will take you there.

 

[pauly7]

Noting that there have been over 800 deliveries around the world, with over a thousand on order, Jungle Jets can't be all bad! I do know that the economics with the E170 weren't there for Virgin, which is why they got rid of them and kept the E190.

Personally, as a Y passenger, I find them more comfortable than 737s, assuming you've got a book to read. I've flown on them on some interesting routes - CBR-TSV, which was interesting from the perspective of seeing all the construction and hole digging in the Bowen Basin at 30,000 ft. Likewise AirNorth E170 was great last year for a DRW-OOL run via ISA. I must admit I was smitten with the "smoko" break in the middle, which allowed me to stretch my legs, and appreciate a complete lack of humidity compared with the storms of DRW, before moving on to a wet and miserable OOL. Seeing the Mt Isa Mine (another big hole in the ground) from the plane was also pretty cool. You might gather from this - I marvel at big man-made holes in the ground, and Jungle Jets will take you there.

Totally agree from a Pax perspective they are fine.

You are right - DJ struggled to get them to earn coin but they have also had some recurring maintenance issues with them - dig around online and you'll find some commentary including one that got stuck in HBA

JetBlue also had some significant issues with the jungle jets that was well publicised and thus many were suprised when DJ chose them after that - but BG was making some strange decisions at that time

 

[here2go]

dig around online and you'll find some commentary including one that got stuck in HBA

Maybe coming from Brazil HBA was too cold for them

Not that it is relevant, here's a happy E170 in ISA. Perhaps AirNorth do better with them with the prices they charge, and the fact that most of their traffic is FIFO on routes with little competition.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

They seem very well used in Europe, FlyBe, Lufthansa regionals etc. they are everywhere. Can't be all bad

 

[BD1959]

Maybe coming from Brazil HBA was too cold for them

They seem to work fine in tropical Helsinki - have flown MAN-HEL on AY's E190 ... great pax experience apart from the lack of IFE.

Regards,

BD

 

[here2go]

They seem to work fine in tropical Helsinki - have flown MAN-HEL on AY's E190 ... great pax experience apart from the lack of IFE.

I'm doing lots of narrowbodies in January. AY E190 DUS-HEL, KF 717 HEL-CPH, and SK CRJ900 CPH-MUC. The latter were compo for SAS when they multiple Q400 landing gear collapses! Looking forward to it!