Qantas sticking to charging passengers for carbon tax

[whatmeworry]

Qantas sticking to charging passengers for carbon tax

 

[JohnPhelan]

Well of course! Every business will recoup the cost from its customers. Thanks Juliar.

 

[leemin]

Thanks Juliar.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...on-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

 

[777]

Passing on the cost is the POINT of the carbon tax. It is designed to make carbon intensive activities relatively more expensive than non-carbon intensive activities so as to drive investment in non-carbon dependent fuels and in fuel efficiency. And a good thing it is too and infinitely cheaper and more efficient that the nonsense the opposition is pedalling in response.

 

[coyote25]

Passing on the cost is the POINT of the carbon tax. It is designed to make carbon intensive activities relatively more expensive than non-carbon intensive activities so as to drive investment in non-carbon dependent fuels and in fuel efficiency. And a good thing it is too and infinitely cheaper and more efficient that the nonsense the opposition is pedalling in response.

Agreed. Tax is designed to encourage changes in behavior including investment. Seems more sensible than just giving Government handouts, the market via costs usually leads to changed investment and innovation.

However I understand if you think we don't need cleaner or renewal energy sources why you'd hate both options of addressing this issue

 

[boylero]

Passing on the cost is the POINT of the carbon tax. It is designed to make carbon intensive activities relatively more expensive than non-carbon intensive activities so as to drive investment in non-carbon dependent fuels and in fuel efficiency. And a good thing it is too and infinitely cheaper and more efficient that the nonsense the opposition is pedalling in response.

so whats the alternative for the aviation industry, shall we all get gliders?

 

[medhead]

The problem is most of the people screaming about this just seem to hate the ALP and Julia. They get all silent when confronted with the opposition's policy.


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[medhead]

so whats the alternative for the aviation industry, shall we all get gliders?

Both qantas and virgin are investing in biofuel development.


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[777]

so whats the alternative for the aviation industry, shall we all get gliders?

Aviation is almost the shining example of where massive savings can/ will and have been generated by investment in more energy efficient technologies. One of the key drivers for the next round of more efficient airplanes (the MAX's, NEOs, 787s, A350s etc) is rising costs of fuel and the world wide reality of carbon taxes, pricing, and trading regiemes. Despite the nonsense you get from the press here some times carbon prices are reality in much of the world and the simple equation for business is reduced carbon consumption can now save you a lot of money.

 

[Mal]

Agreed. Tax is designed to encourage changes in behavior including investment. Seems more sensible than just giving Government handouts, the market via costs usually leads to changed investment and innovation.

However I understand if you think we don't need cleaner or renewal energy sources why you'd hate both options of addressing this issue

A) The current Government (thanks to the Greens) is sinking Billions into nonsense schemes. Congratulations.
B) The current Government (thanks to vote buying) is sinking Billions into the pockets of <some> people affected by the Carbon tax. How is this going to change their attitude?
C) Industry are using the Carbon Tax to increase prices. The ACCC is toothless, and won't really care. Congratulations.
D) As big polluting countries are not charging their manufacturers carbon taxes, we are actually charging ourselves taxes that make our industry uncompetitive. Congratulations Juliar.

 

[medhead]

D) As big polluting countries are not charging their manufacturers carbon taxes, we are actually charging ourselves taxes that make our industry uncompetitive.

Instead big polluting countries, like china, are changing their energy mix to lower carbon intensive sources, like nuclear power. This does cost them more and they are working on it. If this country was in anyway serious about pollution they would support nuclear power in Australia. They don't and I doubt any single person screaming about paying for their pollution would support nuclear in Australia, either.


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[777]

A) The current Government (thanks to the Greens) is sinking Billions into nonsense schemes. Congratulations.

Note the opposition policy is to spend even more on "nonsense schemes" than the current government. Indeed their approach is to refund the taxes paid under the carbon pricing but to pay out even more to polluters, etc. I'd encourage you to take a look at it if that's your concern.

B) The current Government (thanks to vote buying) is sinking Billions into the pockets of <some> people affected by the Carbon tax. How is this going to change their attitude?

I'm glad you asked. This is the elegant simplicity of the model. By compensating people effected the *net* cost to them is largely (if not entirely) covered however the price signals sent by increasing the relative price of carbon intensive activities means that consumers have a strong incentive to choose products and services that use less carbon and industry has a strong incentive to reduce their carbon emissions. Every bit of carbon they reduce now goes straight to the bottom line hence both individuals and industry pocket whatever they save.

C) Industry are using the Carbon Tax to increase prices. The ACCC is toothless, and won't really care. Congratulations.

This guy might disagree: Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun

D) As big polluting countries are not charging their manufacturers carbon taxes, we are actually charging ourselves taxes that make our industry uncompetitive. Congratulations Juliar.

There are significant protections for trade exposed industries, we are are not by-any-stretch-of-the-imagination alone in carbon pricing, and you could equally make the argument that reintroducing child labour would make us more competitive but i'm not sure we really want to go there.

 

[leemin]

The Tax is designed to encourage the Greens to vote with Labor.
Remember Julia's"No carbon tax" before the last election.
But the voters did not give labor a majority --> Hence the Greens were needed. They got want they wanted

Did you even look at The Australian article I linked to in post #2??

 

[Platinum A332]

And so Qantas (and Virgin) should - any cost imposed onto businesses (especially very low margin businesses) by the government has to be passed on.

 

[amaroo]

Something that makes 0.0000000001% of a difference, has to be good policy:!:

I'm sure every ALP MP & Senator is thinking exactly the same thing

 

[777]

Something that makes 0.0000000001% of a difference, has to be good policy:!:

I'm sure every ALP MP & Senator is thinking exactly the same thing

The approach that causes the maximum amount of carbon reduction for the minimum possible cost is the best policy. Compared to the opposition's policy which will achieve considerably less and cost considerably more then of course it is good policy.

 

[leemin]

Something that makes 0.0000000001% of a difference, has to be good policy:!:

So does that mean you don't put your rubbish in the bin when you're out because, on it's own, your coke bottle or what have you, makes only a small difference to the amount of litter around your hometown?

 

[whatmeworry]

Mr Joyce says the company is also investing in more fuel-efficient aircraft and reducing on-board weight to lessen the pollution impost

So where will the more fuel efficient aircraft go?

 

[amaroo]

The approach that causes the maximum amount of carbon reduction for the minimum possible cost is the best policy. Compared to the opposition's policy which will achieve considerably less and cost considerably more then of course it is good policy.

Right now there appears to be a fair amount of arbitrary cash being splashed around, wonder when that will end! Time will tell.....the polls don't look all that good. I'm always amazed how accurate political opinion polls are - they were spot on when Rudd kicked the $ hit out of Howard & every election since then

So does that mean you don't put your rubbish in the bin when you're out because, on it's own, your coke bottle or what have you, makes only a small difference to the amount of litter around your hometown?

Of course I put the rubbish in the bin! Putting the litter in the bin is the correct thing to do however, it doesn't make the rubbish go away - it just moves it somewhere else.

 

[sutho58]

funny how the title of this thread is about Qantas, rather then AIRLINES charging for the carbon tax..
unfortunately we have a government which has had to buy their positions from the greens & independents. also, we have a carbon policy that doesn't in fact have any incentive to reduce carbon pollution, large polluters will pass the cost on to consumers and the government will reimburse those whom they believe are labor party voters. the losers of course are those who receive no compensation.... it will all just be a waste rather then an opportunity to actually do anything about pollution... imho.