Qantas Flying Dreamliner To Vancouver?

[thatguy]

Certainly looks like it after seeing this ad online. Did I miss the announcement?

 

[jbman]

Don't they run this each year for the ski season?

 

[Mattg]

It's currently still slated as a seasonal 747 route, but I would expect the Dreamliner to be put onto the SYD-YVR route in a few years' time once QF have enough in their fleet.

 

[RichardMEL]

Those 2 ads should not be combined to mean anything. 15/12/17 is the start date for MEL-LAX with the 789 and QF will only have 2 shells by then doing this, then new shells will be added to do PER-LHR

chances of YVR service in the next 12 months using the 787? minimal in my view.

Remember QF only has 8 shells set to be delivered which is not that many - they will be busy doing hops between LAX/MEL/PER/LHR let alone any other legs that may be thrown in from time to time. Near as I can tell they'll need 2 shells to do MEL/LAX, and probably 3 to do MEL/PER/LHR (given the stage length) where will the other few go? Maybe YVR Maybe extras to Asia or say MEL-BKK or something, but this is all down the track.

Certainly not this season.

imho.

 

[mviy]

There's also round the year 747 routes that will presumably get a 787 eventually e.g. SYD-SFO. The 747 is probably a bigger aircraft than what's needed for this route.

The 747 will gradually be retired but those that are left will continue to operate on certain routes they're needed for legally and presumably on some slot constrained routes such as to HKG when an A380 isn't justified by demand but a 747 is.

 

[redwoodw]

The first ad is somewhat misleading/ confusing tho

 

[Himeno]

Airline ads don't tend to show the aircraft operating a set route, they show that airlines best/newest product. Just like every QF ad since VH-OQA was near delivery, with VH-ZNA now being assembled and due for delivery in around 2 months, the 787 is what QF will be putting on ads now.

There has been no route announcements for 787s after the first 4.
Once the first one arrives in October, it will be doing domestic routes until the 2nd arrives in early December. At which point, both aircraft will be put onto MEL-LAX (QF95/96). After the 3rd arrives in late December, all 3 will be running MEL-LAX flights with some A380 flights on QF93/94 being downgraded. They will also likely be doing some domestic flights during the late December-March period in order to free up an A330 to operate the newly announced SYD-KIX.

When the 4th arrives in March, all 4 will be operating a QF96/QF9/QF10/QF95 LAX-MEL-PER-LHR-PER-MEL-LAX pattern (the PER-LHR start date is also when SYD-KIX ends).

It is not yet known what the second batch will be doing, but it is clear from the plan to use those 4 aircraft to retire the then 3 remaining non ER 747-400s, that they will need to be put on existing 747 routes (eg, SYD-HND, SYD-SFO, SYD-YVR, BNE-LAX-JFK). The 5th 787, VH-ZNE, is due next July with VH-ZNF to follow in August.

 

[jb747]

.....After the 3rd arrives in late December, all 3 will be running MEL-LAX flights with some A380 flights on QF93/94 being downgraded.

Where did you get that from?

 

[Himeno]

Where did you get that from?

There was mention of that on Ausbt about a month ago.
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-trims-first-class-on-melbourne-los-angeles-a380-flights

 

[jb747]

There was mention of that on Ausbt about a month ago.
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-trims-first-class-on-melbourne-los-angeles-a380-flights

Makes sense. The return load is rarely under 800.

 

[greyyy]

Airline ads don't tend to show the aircraft operating a set route, they show that airlines best/newest product. Just like every QF ad since VH-OQA was near delivery, with VH-ZNA now being assembled and due for delivery in around 2 months, the 787 is what QF will be putting on ads now.

To be fair, the ad specifically mentions flying to Canada and "new levels of comfort on the Dreamliner from Dec 15". I think it's a fairly safe assumption that this route will be operated by the Dreamliner. It would be mighty weird for them to mislead like that. It's not like they're putting out ads saying "Fly to New York on the Dreamliner"...

This just looks like the right hand (ads) not talking to the left hand (...wider marketing/PR)

 

[RichardMEL]

To be fair, the ad specifically mentions flying to Canada and "new levels of comfort on the Dreamliner from Dec 15". I think it's a fairly safe assumption that this route will be operated by the Dreamliner. It would be mighty weird for them to mislead like that. It's not like they're putting out ads saying "Fly to New York on the Dreamliner"...

This just looks like the right hand (ads) not talking to the left hand (...wider marketing/PR)

This is marketing cough though. Sure, you can fly SYD-MEL-LAX-YVR from Dec 15 "on the dreamliner" with a huge * attached, but it does not, in any way, mean any direct, non stop service from Australia to Vancouver, or any other point in Canada is happening on December 15, or within the next 6 months (and likely not till the summer 18/19 season at minimum given the way scheduling and the like happens, not to mention actual 787 deliveries as noted above).

So technically on December 15 you can fly "to Canada" on a dreamline, but it's not going to be nonstop or even direct - at least on QF (of course AC fly to BNE and SYD and will do a stint to MEL in Dec/Jan IIRC).. maybe QF is indirectly pimping Air Canada? The 789 J seats are quite nice I think

Seriously though this kind of thing bugs me and it happens everywhere because it totally gives the wrong impression.

IMHO.

 

[moa999]

Agree.
15-Dec is the start date for the 6/wk QF95/96 MEL-LAX and this will use both frames ZNA and ZNB as it's a 33hr pattern - they don't have any spare 787s to service YVR direct

They could possibly use the third aircraft (delivery end December) for 3/wk flights MEL-YVR/SYD-YVR from mid-Jan to Mar, until the MEL-PER-LHR service begins on 24-Mar (after the fourth aircraft is delivered)
I don't think we've seen any additional scheduling over this period.

 

[Mattg]

If you want to, you technically can fly from Australia to Vancouver on a Dreamliner. But you'd be flying Air Canada, and the route is BNE-YVR.

 

[Bundy Bear]

December - January would be peak time to travel between Canada and Australia, so I wouldn't be surprised if the route starts as a 747 and then towards the end say February until it stops will be operated by a 787.

 

[RichardMEL]

If you want to, you technically can fly from Australia to Vancouver on a Dreamliner. But you'd be flying Air Canada, and the route is BNE-YVR.

and SYD. they do SYD too...
and for the summer peak(here) they will fly to MEL also. AC have been busy

 

[RichardMEL]

Agree.
15-Dec is the start date for the 6/wk QF95/96 MEL-LAX and this will use both frames ZNA and ZNB as it's a 33hr pattern - they don't have any spare 787s to service YVR direct

They could possibly use the third aircraft (delivery end December) for 3/wk flights MEL-YVR/SYD-YVR from mid-Jan to Mar, until the MEL-PER-LHR service begins on 24-Mar (after the fourth aircraft is delivered)
I don't think we've seen any additional scheduling over this period.

yes... 787 replacing QF93/94 on certain days during early next year would use that extra shell.

 

[Mattg]

and SYD. they do SYD too...
and for the summer peak(here) they will fly to MEL also. AC have been busy

YVR-SYD is a Boeing 777 though.

 

[RichardMEL]

YVR-SYD is a Boeing 777 though.

So it is. I stand corrected on that. thanks

 

[Berlin]

To be fair, the ad specifically mentions flying to Canada and "new levels of comfort on the Dreamliner from Dec 15". I think it's a fairly safe assumption that this route will be operated by the Dreamliner.

I agree, very misleading and knowing QF, most likely even intentionally so. They've always been good at that- there were those 'flat beds' which were at a nasty angle in the past (though QF was not alone in that back then) and also the First seats that Qantas still dares to call a 'suit' while it's everything but an enclosed suit but rather a wide open swivel seat. Not that I mind the latter but that's not the point here