Proof that QF's 767's could look awesome (if they invested some $).

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ChrisCunard

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Yes, Qantas has been put in a hard place with their 763 fleet given the late arrival of the 787's.

However with the first 787's going to JQ the 767's are here to stay for quite a while.

So, I think there is a real push for QF to refit those 767's that are due to remain in the fleet long term.

Images borrowed from Airliners.net | Airplanes - Aviation - Aircraft- Aircraft Photos & News

Some imagery to back this up:

QF 767 Cabin:
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Operators who have refitted:

Air NZ 767 Cabin Post Refit:
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Air Canada Cabin Post Refit:
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Austrian:
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British Airways:
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UAL (Dated now but still has IFE):
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TU FLY (2-4-2 isn't great but they do have IFE):
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And Business Class can also look superb aboard a 767 so Qantas could potentially use Skybed Mk 1 taken from refitted 747's here?
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So... isn't it time QF bit the bullet and got those birds that will be here in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017... updated?
 
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Not sure if QF would do it for shorter runs e.g. SYD-MEL and the like


though it would definitely be very handy to have a decent IFE with a personal screen on longhaul flighs like Honolulu - at the moment not only the plane interior shows its age but it's what the heck are you going to do without an IFE for the 9 hours??? I dont think a main screen movie is something QF should stick to

I guess it's all about the cost of upgrade
 
Not sure if QF would do it for shorter runs e.g. SYD-MEL and the like


though it would definitely be very handy to have a decent IFE with a personal screen on longhaul flighs like Honolulu - at the moment not only the plane interior shows its age but it's what the heck are you going to do without an IFE for the 9 hours??? I dont think a main screen movie is something QF should stick to

I guess it's all about the cost of upgrade

Absolutely!

767's on transcontinental flights (PER - BNE for example) and Honolulu, Japan (if QF ever recommenced flights from PER - NRT) and New Zealand would benefit hugely from being brought into the 21st century.
 
I think QF should just take a lead from Google and change their interiors to match googles former QF bird ;).
 
Yeah, after doing AKL - SYD on an AirNZ B767 a couple of years ago, and then again some route using a QF B767 last year, it was obvious how much love QF have for their B767's.

A shorthaul flight - it's not important, a medium to longhaul flight it's very important if QF want to have more people flying QFi over the other options.
 
The only difference I see is IFE which I don't use. I also see 2-4-2 seating...
 
The only difference I see is IFE which I don't use. I also see 2-4-2 seating...

while you may not use IFE, lots of people do. It's almost impossible to think of a major airline in 21st century having no IFE on med to long haul flights

TUI Fly does have 2-4-2 seating as it is a charter flight operator working on the European package tour market hence the seating (people paid very little for the flight, need to recover the cost by putting as many pax on the plane as possible). That's the kind of upgrade we certainly would NOT like Qantas to do
 
The only difference I see is IFE which I don't use. I also see 2-4-2 seating...

Yeah the 2-4-2 on a B767 is a big much I think... :shock:
A few of them had the boeing signature interior which looks pretty good IMHO...

There are still those of us who like IFE on planes...
 
Yeah, after doing AKL - SYD on an AirNZ B767 a couple of years ago, and then again some route using a QF B767 last year, it was obvious how much love QF have for their B767's. ...
Note that Economy on the Refitted AirNZ 763's has a general seat pitch of 30". No Space+ anymore.
 
The 767 situation is a funny one.

Are the PTV's needed for a SYD-BNE, SYD-MEL, MEL-BNE etc? Honestly, probably not. It is a gimmicky thing, however there are those who choose aircraft or carriers based on the IFE.

Your longer trans-cons yes, IFE is probably needed, and yes for your SYD-HNL and PER-NRT runs. Hindsight is wonderful. QF got the 330's at good prices from Airbus after the 380 delays. I am sure that QF could have pushed Boeing to help them refit the 767s to help minimise the investment required.

There are only 5 birds that fly the international routes with the Dreamtime seats. This I find interesting, as I would like to know what they do typically. There is 1 route (3 days a week?) that uses them, could QF not use them on the likes of 652, 648 and 568 if DJ are going to use the 330's on the red-eyes? I find it funny that QF advertise the skybeds on 581/582. Is a bed necessary during 5 hour flight that leaves at 10am?

In response to the pictures, 2-4-2 is yuck, kind of like D7 with the 3-3-3 on the 330's. What type of routes do these aircraft get used on?
 
Absolutely!

767's on transcontinental flights (PER - BNE for example)....
Amen to that. I permanently avoid 767 flights on QF being in PER, because frankly these birds are past their prime. Either give them a refresh to get them through their remaining years, or do the decent thing and lease some more A330's so these horrid beasts can be put out to pasture.
 
Your longer trans-cons yes, IFE is probably needed

Is PTV needed? No, I've done SYD-LAX without PTV 20 years ago... Would I consider doing it these days? Never... (Which rules UA out for me)

Is it needed on a Trans-con in this day and age? I'd say yes... Some of the PER-East coast flights give 5 hours a push... For a good proportion of the world that is considered an international flight covering multiple countries.

An LCC could get away with no PTV's (their motto is you get what you pay for), a "Full Service" carrier which offers PTV on some flights but not others with no real price differentiation is not acceptible these days.
 
Amen to that. I permanently avoid 767 flights on QF being in PER, because frankly these birds are past their prime. Either give them a refresh to get them through their remaining years, or do the decent thing and lease some more A330's so these horrid beasts can be put out to pasture.

Better than a 737 - I would even forgo IFE to avoid a 737. Thankfully, I have lashed out and bought an iPad.
 
Better than a 737 - I would even forgo IFE to avoid a 737.

+1 to that.
I look to avoid single aisle (except the odd Dash 8 which I actually like for some reason for short hops SYD - CBR).
737s are just difficult ... the mid seat vs 2 seating (ignoring the mid 3 seats) and better access to toilets.
 
I agree that PTV is hardly necessary, particularly these days when everyone has an iphone/ipad/netbook and can easily provide their own IFE if desired.

I'd be happy if theyd just make the seats a bit more comfortable with level tray tables!
 
QF had this option of re-fitting the 763's years ago when they first knew of the A380 delays and then the Dreamliner delays. It was discussed on the forum. They chose not to. The minds of the QF brains trust were elsewhere, I won't expand on my view on just where that was :evil: Anyway probably too late to bother now.
 
Refitting the 767s would be like pimping your Hyundai excel, never going to get your money back. Its just history repeating itself, the classics, SPs and 300s were all tired in the last few years.
 
+1 on the transcon 737, especially at similar price/points as other options. :evil:

IFE is nice, but no deal breaker. Every so often I lash out and buy ... a book! :)
 
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Is PTV needed? No, I've done SYD-LAX without PTV 20 years ago... Would I consider doing it these days? Never... (Which rules UA out for me)0

Is it needed on a Trans-con in this day and age? I'd say yes... Some of the PER-East coast flights give 5 hours a push... For a good proportion of the world that is considered an international flight covering multiple countries.

An LCC could get away with no PTV's (their motto is you get what you pay for), a "Full Service" carrier which offers PTV on some flights but not others with no real price differentiation is not acceptible these days.

Actually a 5 hour flight is considered by most airlines to be short to medium, the fact they may overfly several countries is irrelevant. On these kind of flights you would be lucky to get any IFE at all. Take BA and their 767's for example. On routes in the 5 hour flight range, say LHR-Moscow or LHR-Athens you will find 767's that have not been refurbished, in fact they make Qantas's birds look new in comparison. On these flights you get audio and a main screen movie, provided of course the equipment actually works, which in my experience is a 50/50 chance. The refurbed 767's fly on BA's longer routes to Africa and the US, which is equiveilent to the routes where Qantas generally flies A330's that have the trappings. Getting back to BA once the flight drops below about 5 hours then you get no IFE at all, even if the aircraft is capable of it.

Looking at the pictures on the first page, what most of those aircraft have in common is they are used on longer flights, just like Qantas USED to use their 767's on, but now days the Qantas birds are essentially domestic with newish A330's operating the longer routes.

Most, if not all the other European airlines are the same. Come to Asia and you will find on short flights even airlines like Thai don't offer IFE on short to medium haul routes, aircraft dependent of course, but most of the aircraft that fly these routes are not fitted (A300/737 and short haul A330's). So by your definition Qantas, BA and Thai are not full service carriers.

Bottom line with Qantas is yes on the route to Honolulu where Qantas continues to use the 767 the aircraft could be better and should offer better IFE, preferably with personal screens. However on the other routes where Qantas uses their 767's they are no worse, and in many cases better than most other airlines on a like for like basis. Don't forget also that the 767's are meant to be going, replaced by the 787's. So would seem silly to do a refurb on high cycle aircraft with new aircraft coming soon.
 
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