All international travelers will be quarantined in hotels or designated facilities

[suze2000]

Given they have refused permission to two expectant fathers wanting to travel to UK and Japan to be at their child's birth, that consent seems rather difficult to get.

Refused permission to leave Australia, or to enter their destination countries?

What's awful for us is the knowledge that if someone in MrSuze's family catches it, we won't be able to go over there and will have to watch on helplessly. He's British, so the chances are fairly high. But we are both realistic enough to know that as we are both high risk, even him travelling alone would be ill-advised.

 

[Pushka]

Refused permission to leave Australia, or to enter their destination countries?

What's awful for us is the knowledge that if someone in MrSuze's family catches it, we won't be able to go over there and will have to watch on helplessly. He's British, so the chances are fairly high. But we are both realistic enough to know that as we are both high risk, even him travelling alone would be ill-advised.

Refused permission to exit Australia. UK has an open border. I agree. This is so stressful for those whose families are in different countries.

 

[drron]

The UK is now doing the 14 day quarantine though.

 

[jakeseven7]

The UK is now doing the 14 day quarantine though.

Self imposed “Quarantine”

 

[DC3]

How did our relatives cope with life 100 years ago? Apart from waiting to see if the Spanish Flu was going to wipe them out, no modern communications, no aircraft to jump on, maybe a dangerous sailing voyage of months to get to a white Christmas in December, if they weren’t fighting in a World War from 1914-18.

And we will all be living with uncertainty for quite some time yet.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Refused permission to exit Australia. UK has an open border. I agree. This is so stressful for those whose families are in different countries.

I guess the modern generation has grown up with expectations of entitlement that the older generation simply didn't have. After the war people left their families behind to emigrate to Australia and even something as simple as a telephone call had to be considered in terms of cost. If the parents you left behind were seriously ill or dying, the journey back could take weeks, if you had the money.

Thankfully, if there is a serious medical issue today, there are exemptions to travel.

But, I would agree the tipping point for the situation would be allowing business people to travel, but not those wanting to see family.

 

[p--and--t]

I guess the modern generation has grown up with expectations of entitlement that the older generation simply didn't have.

Never a truer word spoken. And the more they have, the more they want.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Article here on family separations in New Zealand, who apparently take a similarly mercantile approach to entry to Australia.

New Zealand beat back the coronavirus, but families were left divided and migrant workers stranded in the process

cheers skip

 

[Pushka]

I guess the modern generation has grown up with expectations of entitlement that the older generation simply didn't have. After the war people left their families behind to emigrate to Australia and even something as simple as a telephone call had to be considered in terms of cost. If the parents you left behind were seriously ill or dying, the journey back could take weeks, if you had the money.

Thankfully, if there is a serious medical issue today, there are exemptions to travel.

But, I would agree the tipping point for the situation would be allowing business people to travel, but not those wanting to see family.

I don't agree it is about entitlement at all. It is about a right or choice that has been removed and being powerlessness in being able to change that.

Choices to emigrate to another country are made in modern context. That if needed you can travel back because you choose to do so. And being able to get back in 24 hours time. And in days gone by, you still had the choice to return even if it took weeks. But you chose to emigrate knowing that was a condition.

As a parent, and I know my parents were the same, we always want more choice for our kids than we had ourselves. That is why we do the things we do. Does that create entitlement? I don't think so but it does create an expectation that things will continue to improve, financially, health wise, travel wise, experience wise etc. Covid has thrown that upside down, likely for a very long time.

 

[SydneySwan]

I don't think so but it does create an expectation that things will continue to improve, financially, health wise, travel wise, experience wise etc. Covid has thrown that upside down, likely for a very long time.

I agree expectation is a much more accurate description.

 

[DC3]

Yes, many have all sorts of expectations in the modern world, which seem to blur with a perception of ‘entitlement’. COVID has messed up a lot of things and we are paying the price in one way or another.

Very sad in many cases, unfortunately.

 

[Toula92122]

So a question on quarantine in Australia. I know it is at the first point of entry into Oz. However, long term expats like ourselves, after we complete quarantine are we free to go to whatever state we like or are we forced to go to where our DL states is our home state, which for us is NT. Can we for example do our quarantine at our point of entry in say Sydney then go to SA is it another 2 weeks quarantine and then be free to stay there? Are there any flights running into other states besides Sydney and Melbourne?

 

[Anna]

If you want to come to SA you will need to comply with these rules but as far as I know there are no additional rules for 'long term expats' -

Travel

www.covid-19.sa.gov.au

Other states and territories might and probably do have different rules so I don't think there is a single blanket answer to your question. It will depend where you are trying to go.

I'm not sure what flights are running. I think there are occasional flights in and out of ADL to at least BNE, SYD and MEL. Also ADL CNS which is tempting when the morning temp is 5 or 6 in ADL.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Yes, the rules vary and depend on when you did your first quarantine and where you are a resident, and sometimes other things. NSW only has restrictions at the moment on arrivals from Vic. Qld currently has a limited quarantine exception for those coming from Quarantine in another state, provided they go straight from the quarantine to the airport, with another for arrivals direct from WA and SA. WA has the tightest borders (further tightened against NSW last night).

There rules are constantly changing and will continue to do so.

All states & territories bar WA have a general right of return for residents. Unfortunately being a long term expat puts you at a disadvantage if you cannot establish that you are a resident of any state. In such a case I would try and get a flight to the state where you aim to stop long term if possible.

cheers skip

 

[VulpesVulpes]

It's nice to see people using the term expat and not traveller like we're on some bloody backpacking holiday.

I'm booked into Melbourne in November, I wonder if in the case where qld doesn't open up, if I'm ferried off the plane on the army bus to a hotel and then at the end of the quarintine back on the army bus to the airport that I avoid being considered "in Melbourne". Staying airside as it were.

 

[get me outta here]

Things do seem to be speeding up a bit as far as outbreaks go and the responses by governments. It will depend on what is happening with the outbreaks at the time of arrival.

So a question on quarantine in Australia. I know it is at the first point of entry into Oz. However, long term expats like ourselves, after we complete quarantine are we free to go to whatever state we like or are we forced to go to where our DL states is our home state, which for us is NT. Can we for example do our quarantine at our point of entry in say Sydney then go to SA is it another 2 weeks quarantine and then be free to stay there? Are there any flights running into other states besides Sydney and Melbourne?

 

[jakeseven7]

It's nice to see people using the term expat and not traveller like we're on some bloody backpacking holiday.

Unfortunately some politicians are using it to play to their low brow base to get re-elected so you will still be hearing a lot of ‘travellers who have had every opportunity to come back’ verbiage from our ‘leaders’....

 

[Princess Fiona]

It's nice to see people using the term expat and not traveller like we're on some bloody backpacking holiday.

I'm booked into Melbourne in November, I wonder if in the case where qld doesn't open up, if I'm ferried off the plane on the army bus to a hotel and then at the end of the quarintine back on the army bus to the airport that I avoid being considered "in Melbourne". Staying airside as it were.

No I seriously doubt that would be considered as Airside transit in MEL.

 

[Anna]

FWIW I think SQ are currently flying once a week ex SIN direct into ADL, mainly for freight but with a few pax. No idea what the fares are.

 

[Toula92122]

FWIW I think SQ are currently flying once a week ex SIN direct into ADL, mainly for freight but with a few pax. No idea what the fares are.

Oh that is useful to know as I was on the Singapore Airlines site and they were selling seats for the Adelaide flight in September but wasn't certain if they were running as they are also selling for Darwin flight and I don't think that is running. There seems to be plenty of points redemption options at this time as well.