New airline to fly Sydney/Melbourne in 3rd quarter rumour

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just heard a rumour that a new airline will be flying smaller aircraft from Sydney to Melbourne & back by 3rd 1/4 of 2019, but they won't be flying out of Mascot or into Tullamarine.

Trying to find out more.

What's the largest aircraft that can operate out of Bankstown with a decent load of passengers ?

Have seen Bae146-200QC's at Bankstown, but think they can only get out of Bankstown with virtually no passengers or freight.

I know a lot of Alliance 100 seat Fokker 100s go into Essendon. Are they the biggest aircraft that can operate into Essendon ?
 
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just heard a rumour that a new airline will be flying smaller aircraft from Sydney to Melbourne & back by 3rd 1/4 of 2019, but they won't be flying out of Mascot or into Tullamarine.

Trying to find out more.

What's the largest aircraft that can operate out of Bankstown with a decent load of passengers ?

Have seen Bae146-200QC's at Bankstown, but think they can only get out of Bankstown with virtually no passengers or freight.

I know a lot of Alliance 100 seat Fokker 100s go into Essendon. Are they the biggest aircraft that can operate into Essendon ?
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just heard a rumour that a new airline will be flying smaller aircraft from Sydney to Melbourne & back by 3rd 1/4 of 2019, but they won't be flying out of Mascot or into Tullamarine.

Trying to find out more.

What's the largest aircraft that can operate out of Bankstown with a decent load of passengers ?

Have seen Bae146-200QC's at Bankstown, but think they can only get out of Bankstown with virtually no passengers or freight.

I know a lot of Alliance 100 seat Fokker 100s go into Essendon. Are they the biggest aircraft that can operate into Essendon ?

Well, Bankstown has a MTOW limit of 20,000kg. This basically limits it to props only with the ATR42 having a MTOW for around 18,000kg for comparison, maybe an ERJ 145 (around the 22t mark). Prior notice is required to operate above the 20t mark as certain taxiways are only rated to a maximum of 20t. I have seen a couple of 146s in my time there (MTOW around 42t), but considering the limit, it's possible that it was practically empty.

Essendon on the other hand is rated up to 45,000kg so F100 size.
 
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Interesting. You'd have to think it would be someone with a jet, either F100 or E-Jet. What real competition/edge would a turboprop bring I wonder.
 
Interesting. You'd have to think it would be someone with a jet, either F100 or E-Jet. What real competition/edge would a turboprop bring I wonder.
maybe an ERJ135 ? Some are under 20t I think.

If under 20t no security needed at least at Bankstown & free car parking right at terminal door. Walk from door of terminal to aircraft at Bankstown very short, therefore can get in & out of the place very fast, which is what many people would find ideal.
 
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no think MEB is on the cards. Both MEL & SYD are congested mess.
Fly Corporate trying something then, even with a Saab perhaps with the facts mentioned above it might be attractive to someone.

I guess if QF are willing to give Bendigo a go out of Sydney then there must be some money to be made
 
Fly Corporate trying something then, even with a Saab perhaps with the facts mentioned above it might be attractive to someone.

I guess if QF are willing to give Bendigo a go out of Sydney then there must be some money to be made
yes I think fly corporate already fly MEB/WOL, MEB/Orange, MEB/Dbo, BNE/Wol using Saab 340s & all are a similar length to SYD/MEL.

If a Saab, then actual flying time terminal to terminal, would be very similar, due to constant delays at MEL & especially SYD.
 
I wonder what the logic is? Sounds like no time savings (especially if turbo prop) and is there really much meat in the run to offer sustainable cost savings (given that QF and VA would likely immediately slash fares to send the new comer belly up) and likely no FFer scheme to speak of?

I wonder if a F70 would work out of BWU. Alliance has the F70 VIP (all business class), that may possibly be probing for a niche (which is what is needed to lure pax, I'd think) and they already do East Coast commercial flights.
 
I wonder what the logic is? Sounds like no time savings (especially if turbo prop) and is there really much meat in the run to offer sustainable cost savings (given that QF and VA would likely immediately slash fares to send the new comer belly up) and likely no FFer scheme to speak of?

I wonder if a F70 would work out of BWU. Alliance has the F70 VIP (all business class), that may possibly be probing for a niche (which is what is needed to lure pax, I'd think) and they already do East Coast commercial flights.
ahh but there would be massive time savings & no stress if indeed Bankstown & Essendon.

At Sydney end, there must be something like 3 million people who live closer to Bankstown than Mascot, especially when you consider the last few kms to Mascot can take all the time & take into account the time it takes just to get to aircraft door at Mascot, not just getting out of car or taxi.

it might go like ............... arrive at say Bankstown, 15 mins before departure, park right outside terminal at no cost, so no need for $50 to $200 return Uber or taxi fares to airport to avoid massive car parking charges at SYD. Maybe pick up a light snack or breakfast in terminal. This might be included like a very basic Qantas club or simply paid for at time.

Walk few hundred metres tops to aircraft & depart. Because the aircraft would have to be obviously smaller, getting off would be quick as well.

No massive crowds to negotiate at check in or at security(no rubber gloves), no issues with computer failures or power failures.

With only a few flights in am, they could go back to "paper" if any computer or power issues.

Almost the same at Essendon end, which is closer to Melbourne CBD & easy to get out of.

For those with bags, no waiting for bags to turn up & no chance of any bags getting lost ever, as passengers could carry their own bags to aircraft possibly.

The more I think about it, the better it sounds.

QF/VA wouldn't touch their fares for business people on peak hour flights, as that's where they make all their money. The new operator might just concentrate on 0600-0900 & 1600-2000 flight timings, but talking such small numbers, the big boys probably wouldn't even notice.

For pm flights, the new operator, could have happy hours, just like the big boys.

Gather that some people hate big airports so much, they try & avoid business trips altogether.

A new service might not even be price sensitive. They probably won't be going after leisure market & would be easy to have a very simply FFer scheme, maybe such as buy some many 1 ways, get so many free to give to whoever, or plenty of other disocunts can be offered, which wouldn't cost anything, but would have a decent perceived value.

The hard part I imagine, would be getting started, but there are so many bad news stories about Sydney airport in particular, the new operator could probably get lots of free publicity, without spending a fortune on advertising.

Might see if they have any jobs going for self.
 
Maybe the Qantas service from Sydney to Wellcamp is doing really well and someone sees an opportunity for a similar flight Essendon to Bankstown? Bit of a niche effort to try and serve a market that might not even know it exists.
 
Maybe the Qantas service from Sydney to Wellcamp is doing really well and someone sees an opportunity for a similar flight Essendon to Bankstown? Bit of a niche effort to try and serve a market that might not even know it exists.
syd to wellcamp must be almost exactly the same length at bankstown/essendon. Personally hate big airports, which are efficient cost wise for airport operators, but not for passengers. Reading about Moxy in USA startup by Neeleman(of Southwest, Jetblue, a brazilian airline & TAP fame) who's only going to fly to 2ndary airports using A220s. He's obviously realised that big airports no longer work very well for many people. Many airports are just too big. Luckily in USA they have so many airports. Look at California. Must be dozens of airports that can take an A220 & totally avoid the LAX's of this world.
 
Nope. I aint going to Bankstown and I sure as heck never going to park my car there overnight/long term. Ever.

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Where are anyone going to get a Saab from?. The Saab 340s production line was terminated about 20 yrs ago. in 2013? Rex purchased the entire S340 spare parts inventory from a US S340 operator. If some became available, ZL would be sure to compete strongly to buy them.
Fly Corporate have 4 of them
 
ahh but there would be massive time savings & no stress if indeed Bankstown & Essendon ...
QF/VA wouldn't touch their fares for business people on peak hour flights, as that's where they make all their money.
Might see if they have any jobs going for self.
Many of the points you raise are based on how it is now. Throw hundreds of people a day at those airports and things would definitely change if the venture turned out to be successful. Also, the airports would see a new cash cow and overnight you'd see paid parking and a host of money spinning initiatives. You also missed out on the obvious elephant in the room ... reliability/on time performance. I think that is why TT is struggling. When we need a degree of certainty, we can't fly TT and this venture may be no different. As for QF/VA not adjusting their fares ... that ain't what history tells us!

And your job? I think you may have already started work! :D ;) :cool:

Maybe the Qantas service from Sydney to Wellcamp is doing really well

Is it? I have no idea but if it is doing well, I doubt it's because it's an alternative to SYD-BNE. The (west of) Toowoomba to Brisbane commute is just too painful for that to work until a high speed train comes into the picture.
 
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Is it? I have no idea but I if it is doing well, I doubt it's because it's an alternative to SYD-BNE. The Toowoomba to Brisbane commute is just too painful for that to work until a high speed train comes into the picture.

The drive is much further than Bankstown to Mascot, that's for sure. But perhaps for an early morning and late evening double daily weekday service between Bankstown & Essendon, the demand could be there?

Can 4 plus a few metros really make a go of it on a SYD- MEL which is a high frequency route even though they may use secondary airports?

Who knows. Doesn't have to be anything more than daily (maybe double daily would be better). Whether they can support that and the rest of their routes is probably the question.

That said we are just assuming it would be them that would operate! Maybe someone else has some other or better ideas...
 
The drive is much further than Bankstown to Mascot, that's for sure. But perhaps for an early morning and late evening double daily weekday service between Bankstown & Essendon, the demand could be there?
Oh yeah, I wasn't meaning that SYD-MEL is a no-goer, just that I doubt Wellcamp is seen by anyone east of the Great Divide as being an alternative to BNE or OOL. I doubt even Ipswich would look favourably on the drive to T'mba. Perhaps Gatton may, but Gatton has a population of 10 plus 15 Kelpies!
 
Where are anyone going to get a Saab from?. The Saab 340s production line was terminated about 20 yrs ago. in 2013? Rex purchased the entire S340 spare parts inventory from a US S340 operator. If some became available, ZL would be sure to compete strongly to buy them.
might not be Saabs. Could be ATR 42s or Dash 8s or small jet like Dornier 328 or turboprop version of a Dornier 328
 
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