Manchester explosion May 23

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Denali said:
Im reading the fatalities are from crowd crush to the exits.

I remember saying to DH last time we went to a US arena, "If anything happens, we bunker under the seats and wait".
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I take it back, Im reading 19 killed so far.

Terrible.
 
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Denali said:
I take it back, Im reading 19 killed so far.

Terrible.
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This I so sad, my heart breaks for the parents of all these young people attending this concert. Its a bit too close to my heart as my daughter lives in Sheffield not that far away from Manchester, but wish she was closer to Melbourne
 
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The pyrotechnics are always a risk these days. I look at some of the ones they do very close to footballers and think 'what if'. This tragedy is simply awful. I feel bad for everyone impacted.
 
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DontGetMeStarted said:
This I so sad, my heart breaks for the parents of all these young people attending this concert. Its a bit too close to my heart as my daughter lives in Sheffield not that far away from Manchester, but wish she was closer to Melbourne
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Terrible news. Ive done our US officer shooter training but its just sad that we have to consider these things, escape plans if something happens.

And such a innocuous event. Wonder what the security response will be after this event is analysed.
 
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America's NBC News is reporting that multiple US officials say British authorities suspect the incident was caused by a suicide bomber.
 
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coriander said:
America's NBC News are reporting that multiple US officials say British authorities suspect the incident was caused by a suicide bomber.
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I also feel badly for the artist. This is something she will carry with her forever.

People trying to find their kids via social media, its so sad.

Edit: Acts of kindness, offering a bed, a ride, phones ect to get or contact home http://www.news.com.au/world/europe...r/news-story/2a41d371c39849c8a9bd6ca12e3a38e2
 
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Pushka said:
The pyrotechnics are always a risk these days. I look at some of the ones they do very close to footballers and think 'what if'. This tragedy is simply awful. I feel bad for everyone impacted.
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Wasn't their a Cricketer that nearly got burnt in a T20?
 
Very sad.

Feel sorry for all those affected. Lots of teenagers without parents at the concert. The young singer will also need to carry this for the rest of her life.

And to think there are some celebrating the loss of innocent lives. Makes no sense.
 
Wicked doesn't even start to describe it. I've watched stories of parents desperate to hear news of their kids. Every parents nightmare.
 
This time last year we were visiting family in Manchester, and an event like this was beyond imagining.

These evil people seem to have forgotten that Great Britain went through 5 years of having bombs rain down on them day and night, and it only made them stronger.
 
The terror attack at Manchester Arena came on the anniversary of the murder of soldier Lee Rigby.
Fusilier Lee Rigby was hacked to death on a London street on May 22, 2013.

He also was from Manchester

Read more: Manchester terror attack four years to the day after Lee Rigby murder | Metro News

On the afternoon of 22 May 2013, a British Army soldier, Fusilier Lee Rigby of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, was attacked and killed by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale near the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, southeast London.
Rigby was off duty and walking along Wellington Street when he was attacked. Adebolajo and Adebowale ran him down with a car, then used knives and a cleaver to stab and hack him to death. The men dragged Rigby's body into the road and remained at the scene until police arrived. They told passers-by that they had killed a soldier to avenge the killing of Muslims by the British armed forces
 
Enoch Powell predicted this kind of thing 50 years ago, and was vilified for being a racist etc.
I'm afraid it's like trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle, what to do, how to fix this won't be simple or easy. I suspect atrocities like this will remain part of the landscape for many years to come. I can't begin to imagine how the families of these children are coping right now . I hope that there isn't an uncontrollable back lash, as that may only serve to make things worse.
 
The almost complete collapse of the Christian belief system upon which much of the worlds western civilisation was built , provided Islam with a not to be missed opportunity.
Traditional christian values kept most of the supplicants fearful of hell , and respectful of their peers.
Modern social engineering teaches anarchy masquerading as tolerance and freedom.

Within Islam , the breeding rate , the subjugation to group belief and discipline ,and the absence of Christian social obligation ; an unstoppable juggernaught has arisen.

South America still remains strongly Christian and may well be the safest continent in the near future.. who woulda thunk that 20 years ago...
 
tgh said:
The almost complete collapse of the Christian belief system upon which much of the worlds western civilisation was built , provided Islam with a not to be missed opportunity.
Traditional christian values kept most of the supplicants fearful of hell , and respectful of their peers.
Modern social engineering teaches anarchy masquerading as tolerance and freedom.

Within Islam , the breeding rate , the subjugation to group belief and discipline ,and the absence of Christian social obligation ; an unstoppable juggernaught has arisen.

South America still remains strongly Christian and may well be the safest continent in the near future.. who woulda thunk that 20 years ago...
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Ever heard of the Crusades? ;)

It is not Islam as such but the extremists who use religion as an excuse to wreck terror. I recall certain Christian groups being pretty much as extreme over the last few centuries. The 'bad' guys vary according to which chunk of history you are looking at.
 
I am not a Christian Pushka, so my opines are not seeking to justify one belief system or another.
Christian based war making supported the disciplines of the belief system in the same way that it supports the current campaign by Islam.

History has little relevance to the current belief vacuum in western societies, it presents as unknown territory.
Past civilisations used many tools to maintain social order, we currently seem to be facing a vacuum , logically anarchy must follow.

anyway .. social philosophy is probably not what the thread is all about…. :)
 
tgh said:
South America still remains strongly Christian and may well be the safest continent in the near future.. who woulda thunk that 20 years ago...
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Odd, a lot of South American's would disagree with you.

My accountant migrated from Argentina several years back.

After we signed off on my companies annual accounts early this year we had a long and friendly chat about many things.

One of the topics was on why her and her Dr husband migrated to Australia. I would have thought that it was for the greater work opportunity. But no it was to escape the violence and terror from living in such a fine christian country.

The look of fear that haunted her face as she remembered back was striking.



Zealotry, of whatever flavour, tends to be ugly. Isis, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Westboro Baptist Church. The list goes on. The hate goes on. What the world needs more of is love, and what it needs less of is the hate and division caused by those that wish to believe that their faith or ideology is the one true way.


When 9/11 happened I had already arranged a 10 week backpacking trip through Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Thailand over the christmas period for my wife and three daughters then aged 6, 9 and 11. Most people advised me to cancel and not go. Most thought I was mad.

We were one of the very few westerners who traveled through that part of the world at that time. Hotels etc were ghostly. But we had the most amazing time and were warmly received wherever we traveled.


Unfortunately evil people exist in this world.

A psychologist interviewed the naz_s in the Nuremberg Trials. The point that he found in common amongst them was their lack of empathy, rather that they had been raised as Christians.

Personally whenever I look at these "terrorists" I see madmen using religion, or some other cause, as an excuse to do evil. I strongly doubt that any of them is truly religious.

Seek to understand, rather than seek to brand.
 
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