Is Travel Insurance covering/paying up on Ash Crisis ?????

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Are travel insurance companys, paying out/compensating/covering travel costs as a result of the ash crisis??

Or is this an "act of god exclusion"

I have friends who were suppose to fly to istanbul yesterday to meet a cruise. This is obviously not going to happen. They bought cheap sale restricted air tickets last year during the big sales.
They were told by the cruiseline they cannot get a refund and they have yet to make a decision on whether a change and re-book is possible. Their hotel was prebooked and paid and is reinforceing their cancelation policy (no refunds within 3 day limit). As were their transfers and pre cruise tours.

They also had other prepaid elements to the trip.

Has anybody seen any statements or comments by the insurance industry in regards to the matter.

I can't seem to gat a straight answer from anyone on the issue.

My mate and his wife are pretty distressed. This is their first time out of oz/international and they have saved for 4 years to make this trip happen.
There tavel insurance company is not being very helpful at the moment. everytime they ring they are being told a different story.

Thanks
 
You need to check the policy details . I would expect it to be covered but you need to read it and find out; better than asking the company;

read it; see what section applies and then make the claim

Dave
 
Yes, l know to read the policy and they have.

The problem is,

How the insurance company's are defining the issue.

This first phone call they were they told you are covered under "weather" then when they rang back with some requested details someone else told them no! "act of god" exclusion.
The last phone call from their TA said they are withholding a decision on whether to payout the cruise cost until they determine if the air is covered and if its not, then they won't payout on the cruise.
 
Yes, l know to read the policy and they have.

The problem is,

How the insurance company's are defining the issue.

This first phone call they were they told you are covered under "weather" then when they rang back with some requested details someone else told them no! "act of god" exclusion.
The last phone call from their TA said they are withholding a decision on whether to payout the cruise cost until they determine if the air is covered and if its not, then they won't payout on the cruise.

What does the policy actually say rather than how are they interpreting it?
 
Have a look at the definitions in the policy - my policy defines natural disaster as:
natural disaster” means any event or force of nature
that has catastrophic consequences such as avalanche,
earthquake, flood, tsunami and volcanic eruption, but not

epidemics or pandemics.

& then goes on to say they provide cover in the event:

your
arranged travel is cancelled or delayed by the
carrier because of unexpected:
– mechanical break down; or
– weather conditions; or

natural disasters;

cheers

 
I highly doubt that an insurance company could successfully use an "act of god" clause (that's not to say they won't try). Volcano's can and do erupt, and there are perfectly reasonable non biblical reasons behind it. "Act of god" can really only be used in the event that something happened, which specifically targetted you. Such as large hailstones falling only on your house leaving everything perfectly untouched etc...

I'd say unless the policy excludes volcano's as a reason, then it's pretty good odds that they will be covered. They just may be slow to pay up which is typical of insurance companies during large natural disasters.
 
Out of interest, I looked up our corporate (Chubb) travel insurance policy to see if it would have covered the above Volcano situation; As I intepret it, it will:
We will reimburse You or the Insured Person the expenses reasonably and necessarily incurred (up to $100,000) in addition to those already budgeted for or likely to be incurred but less any refund on unused prepaid travel and accommodation arrangements, as a result of:
(a) The Insured Person having to return to Australia or place or departure within Australia during the Journey due to the unexpected death, Serious Injury or Sickness of a Relative, Close Business Associate or travelling companion, provided that such a person is under eighty (80) years old; or
(b) The Insured Person suffering an Accidental Bodily Injury or Sickness or Disease during a Journey; or
(c) Any other unforeseen circumstances outside the control of You or the Insured Person
Citibank Platinum Credit Card Insurance (Zurich) policy implies it would also cover:

Zurich covers you for the unexpected
cancellation of travel arrangements and other unexpected
expenses (unlimited)
, provided the claim is not covered elsewhere in this
policy. The expense must be incurred during the period of
cover for one of the reasons listed below:

• there is a natural disaster*, or a natural disaster has
recently happened or is reasonably expected to happen
either at your destination or at you or your travel
companion’s normal residence in Australia;

*natural disaster” means any event or force of nature
that has catastrophic consequences, such as avalanche,
earthquake, flood, bush fire, hurricane, tornado, cyclone,
tsunami and volcanic eruption, but not epidemics or
pandemics.
AMEX Platinum credit card insurance has limited coverage:
In the event of Travel disruption, we will pay....any reasonable additional expenses incurred for any other unforseen cincimstances outside of Your control, limited to AUD$3000
Wow, quite a difference between the various insurance policies, with AMEX being the worst!!
 
Citibank Platinum Credit Card Insurance (Zurich) policy implies it would also cover:

If you read that one carefully, it may only cover if you lived in Iceland or were intending to go there. May not be much assistance if you were only going to the UK, as the volcano didn't errupt there.

The AMEX Plat Charge insurance is interesting. There are virtually no exclusions to the "delay of more than 4 hours" which will pay $700 pp (max 2 people) to cover accommodation, food etc, so that would apply. The travel disruption (max $30,000) covering cancellation would be excluded as it resulted from "12. any government regulation, prohibition or restriction", being the closing of the airspace.

Interpretation can be very difficult. Just because natural disasters may be covered, it doesn't mean that you would be covered in this case, if there is a "government prohibition" clause - as the volcanic activity didn't directly affect any flights - it only caused a precautionary air-space closure, which was probably a regulatory restriction. Whilst you would hope that interpretation would be a little less literal, and slightly more generous, it won't help that certain airlines in Europe have caused a fuss about the regulation being too restrictive, and there not really being any real problem.
 
Have a look at the definitions in the policy - my policy defines natural disaster as:



natural disaster” means any event or force of nature
that has catastrophic consequences such as avalanche,
earthquake, flood, tsunami and volcanic eruption, but not

epidemics or pandemics.

& then goes on to say they provide cover in the event:


your
arranged travel is cancelled or delayed by the


carrier because of unexpected:
– mechanical break down; or
– weather conditions; or



natural disasters;

cheers




Would mind posting the company and policy type here please Hazel?​

 
I posted in the other "Ash Effects" thread, (I knew that I had read discussion about insurance somewhere on here before) but follows is the full script, of the unsolicited email , sent by the CEO of issuer of my annual travel insurance plan.


Dear DK

As one of our policyholders who may be affected by disruption to flights caused by the volcanic ash cloud over Europe, we want to reassure you about the coverage of your Mondial Assistance travel insurance policy.
You may have purchased your travel insurance policy through one of our many partners in Australia and New Zealand—they include Allianz, 1300Insurance, Expedia, AEA, Budget Direct, COTA, Downunder, Malaysia Airlines, My Cover, National Australia Bank, National Seniors Association, National Seniors Travel, Over 50, Pin Point, Teachers Insurance Services and Zuji.

All our comprehensive travel insurance policies, purchased before 16 April, include cover for cancellation and accommodation expenses associated with delayed flights as a result of the ash cloud.
Currently you may be having problems in contacting us by telephone as we are experiencing very significant call volumes. We hope the following information will provide you with the detail and certainty you need to rest easy about your travel insurance policy. If after reading the following you are still unsure or concerned please call us on our 24 hour emergency assistance number +61 7 3305 7499 reverse charge from anywhere overseas or 1800 010 075 free call within Australia or 0800 778 103 free call within New Zealand. Or you can email us on … (at) mondial-assistance.com.au.


We will continue to monitor the situation and respond to any changes in this developing situation as they occur. If you are not due to depart until after next week we ask you to be patient with the situation and not rush to cancel your plans at this stage.
The following questions and answers relate to the travel insurance cover that Mondial Assistance policies, purchased before 16 April 2010, are providing to providing to travellers affected by flights disruption caused by the Iceland volcanic ash cloud.

If I am stranded in London and unable to board my flight home will Mondial Assistance cover the cost of additional accommodation/hotel expenses while I wait for a flight home? What if this continues for weeks, is there a limit to the support you will give me?
We will cover the cost of reasonable accommodation expenses while you wait for your flight home. We want to help so by reasonable we mean the same standard of accommodation that you have been paying for as part of your trip so far.
In terms of any limit of cover, firstly, let’s hope for everyone’s sake that flights can resume safely as soon as possible. However Mondial Assistance will not abandon any of our policyholders that are stranded as a result of the volcanic ash cloud.
What if I have run out of money and my credit card is ‘maxed’ and I am unable to pay for additional accommodation?
Mondial Assistance can help by acting as guarantor with your hotel or other accommodation provider for your accommodation while you are unable to board your flight. If you have already incurred costs for additional accommodation, those costs can be refunded once you submit your claim with us.

What about food and living expenses—will you cover that as well?
Some of our policies do provide for additional expenses of up to $200 per day for reasonable living expenses—always in these cases we urge you to keep all your receipts that you need to substantiate your claim with us.

If I am hoping to fly to Europe this week for the start of a dream holiday and my flight is cancelled indefinitely or until further notice, will Mondial Assistance cover the cost of my cancelled flight and all the accommodation and tours I had booked?
Yes we will cover your cancellation expenses though we believe that all major airlines will either refund fares or offer rescheduled flights when they are able to. We encourage people to continue to talk to us and their airlines about what options are available to them.
There are some travellers stranded in Iceland at the moment and apparently they may be able to board a flight to Seattle and fly back home via the United States—will Mondial Assistance cover these travel costs? And what if the travellers are short of cash or credit, can Mondial Assistance help?
Our policies do provide cover for alternative travel costs and we are able in most circumstances to act as a guarantor for expenses. So if you are a policyholder stuck somewhere with limited or little cash at your disposal, we can help. Every case is different so we do ask our policyholders to call us in the first instance.

What else should I be aware of?
If you wish to check the detail of your policy coverage, we encourage you to read the Product Disclosure Statement or Policy Wording that you received when you purchased your policy. This will give you more detail about what your policy provides cover for and what it does not.
When you call us to discuss your travel options and policy cover, it would be useful if you had a copy of your travel itinerary with you—that will save time in assessing the best next steps for you.
You should take all reasonable steps to minimise your expenses and this includes rearranging your journey where possible.
With your claim, you will need to submit all receipts for any additional accommodation and transport expenses. If you are claiming cancellation or additional expenses you will need to submit all documents showing what your original planned pre-paid arrangements were, along with any receipts and documents showing your new arrangements, and advice from the travel provider indicating the non-refundable portion of the journey.

Mondial Assistance has a 24 hour emergency assistance number for any policyholder to call if you need help—it is +61 7 3305 7499 reverse charge, 1800 010 075 free call within Australia or 0800 778 103 free call within New Zealand.

Or you can email us on … (at) mondial-assistance.com.au.
Sincerely
Brett Robinson
Chief Executive Officer
 
I heard a radio piece with a representative from Mondial (Brisbane 612ABC). They obviously feel they are in a good position because they were plugging their response.

Hopefully a travel insurance company that thinks it is good business to actually pay out claims.
 
Would mind posting the company and policy type here please Hazel?​


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sure - Zurich through Westpac Earth Platinum.

I think the important part is that it provides cover if the airline cancels the flight due to a natural disaster that includes volcanos. The other scenario only applies if there is a natural disaster in the country of departure or arrival.
cheers
 
Hopefully a travel insurance company that thinks it is good business to actually pay out claims.
Clever tactic isn’t it! Accept your liabilities this year, but then turn them around and use them as a positive, to springboard your revenues for the next.

Although I am not in a position to claim due to this event, the good will from this email has almost certainly ensured that I will purchase next year’s insurance from one of their retail agents, plus as an added bonus, it got me to post about it on a Net Frequent Traveller Forum!
 
Annual insurance policies - post volcanos

Now that the dust has settled (pun intended) after the eruption of the Icelandic volcano, has anyone affected by the travel delays, experienced positive or negative reactions when they went to claim (or attempt to claim) on their insurance policies.

I am particularly interested in annual policies, but happy to hear of any claim experience.
 
sure - Zurich through Westpac Earth Platinum.

I think the important part is that it provides cover if the airline cancels the flight due to a natural disaster that includes volcanos. The other scenario only applies if there is a natural disaster in the country of departure or arrival.
cheers

Thanks Hazel.

I'm most interested in the "mechanical breakdown" part though.

HD
 
Thanks Hazel.

I'm most interested in the "mechanical breakdown" part though.

HD

Hi - it doesn't give a definition of 'mechanical breakdown' just says
Under this section Zurich covers​
you for the unexpected
cancellation of travel arrangements and other unexpected
expenses, provided the claim is not covered elsewhere
in this policy. The expense must be incurred during the

period of cover for one of the reasons listed below:

your​
arranged travel is cancelled or delayed by the
carrier because of unexpected:

– mechanical break down

cheers
 
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