How easy to use QFF points - A tale from an Infrequent Flyer

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I assured a good friend that he could easily use his QFF points for a RTW trip if he simply planned ahead, remained flexible and did his homework. Here he recounts his "Ode to Alan Joyce":

THE EASE OF CLAIMING FREQUENT FLYER MILES ( Redacted ?)

The month was October 2012, it was actually the first of the month; it was a Monday after golf (I played well) and I had built up the enthusiasm to ring Qantas and redeem our considerable number of QFF points.
We wanted to fly around the world, business class in April/May 2013.
We had sufficient points for one fare.
So there, the scene is set; a clear and confident mind, sufficient points, six months notice, seeking a product that the airline had been promoting strongly; in fact the unstoppable barrage of emails was starting to irritate me.
I had set aside one hour in case they might have been busy

Oh, by the way I had previously tried four times to do this exercise on line but with absolutely no success; you needed a one world membership number which you couldn’t get unless you were a member (Joseph Heller designed the system), a strong understanding of both the Northern constellation and the Southern constellation, world tide charts and a PhD in computer and airline flight navigation. I had none of those which would explain why I failed.

I pressed the magic numbers 13 11 31……..after 2 minutes and 34 seconds a sheila said “Welcome to the Qantas Frequent Flyer Programme – your call is important to us – you have been placed in a queue and the first available operator will assist you “….OK so far so good - I had made the Russian Earl Grey and had a slab of Uncle Remus’ date slice so I was in good shape.
It was 2.12pm.
After 17 minutes I put the elevator music on the squawk box which exacerbated the irritation to a degree but enabled free hands.

Suddenly, and without warning a real person came on the line “Good afternoon QFF Dorothy speaking, how may I help you? “
I fumbled the Uniden xDect squawk box button clumsily but with excitement and success – “Good afternoon Dorothy, John H is my name and I would like to book a round the world flight, business class using my points. “Certainly Mr. H – what is your FF number ? “.. I gave it to her…..” When would you like to go? “ …” Well, Dorothy, there’s the good news for both of us – we are very flexible , say any time in April or May “……” That should be no problem “said Dorothy…..my adrenalin flow increased with that reassuring phrase.

Dorothy and I discussed, inter alia, dates, routes, airlines, one world, airbuses, 777s, aisle vs window seats, flat beds, meals, children’s sport, being retrenched, Alan Joyce and pavlova recipe that her friend Cheryl from Coleambally had given her.
We tried 3645 combinations which did actually take some time given that Dorothy had to go into each day and each route separately - the system does not allow a global search of available FF seats.

It was 4.17 pm and I wanted to go to the toilet; I strongly suspect Dorothy did too but I dare not risk embarrassing noises that might be overheard via the Uniden L 91 Omni directional microphone…I pushed on as I had a feeble feeling that victory was nigh.
At precisely 5.01 pm Dorothy had delivered an itinerary that involved 5 airlines, 6 countries and 2 unwelcome nights in Tokyo (are you still with me ?) having us arrive in Orly, the busiest and most inconvenient airport in Europe…” The taxes are slightly higher Mr H because of the French Government…”….” But we do seem to have succeeded in satisfying your need”……..hmm….

“That is indeed good news Dorothy and I appreciate your patience – now for the easy bit – can we book a paid fare for my wife to join me on this stunning exercise in circumlocution? “ “Certainly Mr Henderson “….and then Dorothy teased me again with that false decoy type phrase “that should be no problem.”

Look, lest I lose you altogether I will refrain from dragging you through the painstaking exercise of my wife’s fare (or should that be my fare? ) arrangements but they were basically a blueprint of the first exercise but we ended up with SWMBO sitting next to me for most of the 11 legs of the journey but she would have to spend an additional night in Tokyo;..being intimately familiar with her stoicism I felt that she could cope with that.

It was 6.17pm.

“ Dorothy”, I said “ I think you’ve nailed it “…she giggled with delight ( I envisioned Dorothy as being in her 50’s , happy, slightly plump with grey or purple rinse hair and would not even take her orthodontist to task for her ill fitting dentures – a nice person)…..” so, we have the $1435 in taxes for my fare” ..” Yes “said Dorothy …” and what is the total of my wife’s fare?”

“$13,825.65 “said Dorothy.

“Are you there Mr H? “

“No I am not Dorothy – I am reasonably sure I have just had a massive coronary occlusion and I am dead “

“What’s happened Mr Henderson?”

“ Are you kidding Dorothy – we have just spent over 5 hours on the telephone trying to buy a simple product that your company had advertised heavily and the net result is more expensive than 2 full business class fares, rack rate. You don’t seem to be as emotionally exhausted as I am but if you are half as exhausted you will need a vacation – perhaps you could use my tickets”

‘I am so sorry to have wasted your afternoon but I am too poor to proceed with the purchase of that product “and without so much as a sigh, Dorothy said “ Not a problem Mr H, is there anything else I can help you with? “

I was grateful that Dorothy could not actually see me rocking backwards and forwards in the foetal position but she did hear my feeble giggle her response to which was “Oh, yes I notice you discontinued you Qantas Club membership after 27 years, was there any reason for that? “

“Yes,” I said curtly but not too curtly as Dorothy was a nice lady “because there are more people inside the Qantas Club than there are sitting in the plastic chairs outside “

“Oh, I see “she said with the first note of disappointment I detected.

My intimate and intense 5 hour relationship with Dorothy ended with her saying “ If we can help you in the future please do not hesitate to call “

I rang Virgin the next day, booked the flights we wanted on the days we wanted, paid $7k each for what we have found to be the best business class in the skies and Robert was our Uncle.

This ramble has been recounted true to a tee.

Sir Dick vs the leprechaun – no contest.

Now I'll have to see how he goes buying AA miles!
 
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Sorry but the race card is getting tiresome. Is he not an Australian citizen?
 
I can relate. As most of my travel is at very short notice, trying to book J or F (at reasonable rates, if available at all) is pretty much impossible.

With an ever expanding QFF base, and shrinking number of routes that QF fly, it's going to get harder and harder to redeem unless you book 350 days out.....
 
Sorry but the race card is getting tiresome. Is he not an Australian citizen?

Yes he is, but even if he wasn't, racist comments like that from the OP should not be tolerated.
 
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I can relate. As most of my travel is at very short notice, trying to book J or F (at reasonable rates, if available at all) is pretty much impossible.
With an ever expanding QFF base, and shrinking number of routes that QF fly, it's going to get harder and harder to redeem unless you book 350 days out.....
A RTW (OW?) award trip involves partner airlines, so not dependent on QF routes. Partner award availability is something QF (or AA) do not have control of. AA has the same OW partners as QF with similar award availability for its OW award.

grussellt has not stated the requested stop over cities or the VA route/airlines for VA $7K RTW.
 
A RTW (OW?) award trip involves partner airlines, so not dependent on QF routes. Partner award availability is something QF (or AA) do not have control of. AA has the same OW partners as QF with similar award availability for its OW award.

grussellt has not stated the requested stop over cities or the VA route/airlines for VA $7K RTW.

Well said. In any case the typical "rack rate" of a full business RTW OW fare originating from Australia is anywhere between 12 and 15k.
 
I envisioned Dorothy as being in her 50’s , happy, slightly plump with grey or purple rinse hair and would not even take her orthodontist to task for her ill fitting dentures

I don't know why anyone in their right mind would see their orthodontist to address their ill fitting dentures..
 
A RTW (OW?) award trip involves partner airlines, so not dependent on QF routes. Partner award availability is something QF (or AA) do not have control of. AA has the same OW partners as QF with similar award availability for its OW award.

No, just QF in general.
 
I don't understand the 'friend'.

If you have QFF points then you have a membership number and you can plan your trip on the QF website.

I booked flights, in First, for a family member for March three weeks ago. Admittedly first class to DXB (the key bottle neck) has now almost dried up - but there are still seats out there to be found (even if on the less convenient EK flight connecting in both SIN and CMB).

There seems to be plenty of availability on QR and also via PER on EK.

The addition of EK has added a lot more premium availability.

I admit I thought it was going to be a lot harder than it was. I was pleasantly surprised. (If not annoyed at the additional steps you have to jump through if you just want to search a day before or day after... why can't QF introduce a simple button that gives those results?)

I even found the multi city booking tool easy to use.

As for the 'paid' fare, that's the price of a oneworld fare.

many people make a basic mistake when selecting airfares. They come up with an itinerary first, then expect to find an advertised special of $1400 (economy) to match their itinerary. That often just doesn't happen. People want to fly to Athens, Barcelona and London with a stop in Vietnam on the way. They find the fare is actually $2500 for the desired itinerary.

I think it is much easier to select your fare first, and then work out your itinerary. So you wanna stop in Vietnam? well Vietnam Airlines flies to Paris. So go there. And then buy cheap add ons or rework your itinerary from that point. And still get your $1400 fare and a few hundred here and there for the add-ons.

As for paying $7000 per ticket - well that would get you two First class tickets through USDM. Wide open availability. So $7000 down the drain there.
 
Identical post on Flyer Talk. I called it a load of tosh over there and its still a load of tosh on AFF.
 
So your friend paid $14000 to virgin because they couldn't afford to pay $14500 plus points to Qantas? Ok then.
 
All "True to a tee" eh?

Happened in October 2012? Well, OK. Glad its all fresh in the mind, then.

3,645 flight combinations tried were there?

In over 5 hours was it?

Call it 6 hours. That's about 6 seconds per route - much less when you allow for gossip about pavlova recopies and Alan Joyce.

Wow. All 'true to a tee'. Remarkable.

The tale is of course largely b/s. Yes, we all like a vent at QF's lack of Award seats from time to time, but next time can you keep it under 100 words?
 
I admit I thought it was going to be a lot harder than it was. I was pleasantly surprised. (If not annoyed at the additional steps you have to jump through if you just want to search a day before or day after... why can't QF introduce a simple button that gives those results?)

I even found the multi city booking tool easy to use.
This of course was all possible before the changes to the award booking engine 3-4 years ago.

You could create an itinerary and if you wanted to make a change to the 6th sector of a 14 sector itinerary you would click on that sector and make a change and return back to your completed itinerary.

For some reason Qantas thinks they have "enhanced" their award booking engine for the better. Perhaps their whole intention was to ensure people could not use it and pay the assisted award booking fee.
 
Whether or not true, it was an extremely well written and funny read employing some great English. It is hard to understand how any call centre operator would have the patience to work on a solution for five hours and not have to go to the little room for a couple of minutes, though, or even more likely hang up on the caller after a while.

Like 15 per cent of Australians, I am of Irish descent. If someone called me a 'leprechaun' or 'you silly bloke of bog Irish extraction' I would laugh it off. One can be proud of one's distant or more recent forebears yet still be able to grin when a descriptor is used. Hasn't 'wog' long became a term of which Greeks are proud? (although 'dago' is now almost never used with most of us under 40 unlikely to have ever heard it).

Those who criticised the OP for use of the term 'leprechaun' badly need to develop a sense of humour.

Perhaps if the politically correct minority of Australians deem such a term unacceptable, a more factual description of 'highly paid executive who throws millions of dollars into fanciful ventures in the Hong Kong SAR and elsewhere that never come to fruition, fails to pay a dividend to shareholders for years, possibly loads costs from other subsidiaries onto QF International to make the latter look worse than it is and then goes cap in hand to government seeking some sort of assistance' while very rambling could at least ensure that the OP gets his description past the fun police.
 
Like 15 per cent of Australians, I am of Irish descent. If someone called me a 'leprechaun' or 'you silly bloke of bog Irish extraction' I would laugh it off. One can be proud of one's distant or more recent forebears yet still be able to grin when a descriptor is used. Hasn't 'wog' long became a term of which Greeks are proud? (although 'dago' is now almost never used with most of us under 40 unlikely to have ever heard it).

Those who criticised the OP for use of the term 'leprechaun' badly need to develop a sense of humour.

The politically correct bleeding hearts have nothing better to do.

Like ~1% of Australians I am of Greek descent and I have been called a dago and a wog for as long as I can remember. I love it and don't care. I can give as good as I get.

Some people need to focus on important things such as obscene executive salaries and increasing crime rstes.
 
Whether or not true, it was an extremely well written and funny read employing some great English. It is hard to understand how any call centre operator would have the patience to work on a solution for five hours and not have to go to the little room for a couple of minutes, though, or even more likely hang up on the caller after a while.

Like 15 per cent of Australians, I am of Irish descent. If someone called me a 'leprechaun' or 'you silly bloke of bog Irish extraction' I would laugh it off. One can be proud of one's distant or more recent forebears yet still be able to grin when a descriptor is used. Hasn't 'wog' long became a term of which Greeks are proud? (although 'dago' is now almost never used with most of us under 40 unlikely to have ever heard it).

Those who criticised the OP for use of the term 'leprechaun' badly need to develop a sense of humour.

Perhaps if the politically correct minority of Australians deem such a term unacceptable, a more factual description of 'highly paid executive who throws millions of dollars into fanciful ventures in the Hong Kong SAR and elsewhere that never come to fruition, fails to pay a dividend to shareholders for years, possibly loads costs from other subsidiaries onto QF International to make the latter look worse than it is and then goes cap in hand to government seeking some sort of assistance' while very rambling could at least ensure that the OP gets his description past the fun police.
It's good to know the Spirit of Christmas is alive and well...............and smiling!
 
The politically correct bleeding hearts have nothing better to do.

Like ~1% of Australians I am of Greek descent and I have been called a dago and a wog for as long as I can remember. I love it and don't care. I can give as good as I get.

Some people need to focus on important things such as obscene executive salaries and increasing crime rstes.

+1

Well written piece from the OPs friend and very entertaining.
 
As the member who first raised the issue in this thread, I disagree that I need to develop a sense of humour.

The fact is that referring to AJ's heritage when discussing his failings breeds the ignorance card. How often do you hear the argument that AJ is rubbish because he is Irish? What does that have to do with anything relating to his performance - that's right it has nothing to do with his performance.

I have grown up with the ethnic background so I am not bothered with the whole Wog and name calling thing, it is the ignorance that gets me going (and it turns out it was part of the OP's ignorance that lead to this rant...)
 
The politically correct bleeding hearts have nothing better to do.

Like ~1% of Australians I am of Greek descent and I have been called a dago and a wog for as long as I can remember. I love it and don't care. I can give as good as I get.

It's one thing being called a dago/wog/leprechaun in the context of friendly banter. It's quite another to suggest that someone is incapable of being CEO of a major airline simply because he's Irish, which is what the OP did. That's sheer ignorant racism - there wasn't even anything witty about the comment.

Some people need to focus on important things such as obscene executive salaries and increasing crime rstes.

Indeed - that's exactly what Joyce's critics should focus on. Resorting to childish, racist insults just deflects attention away from what Joyce is doing or not doing.
 
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