I have done lots of places for personal travel already. Given the recent cramping of Y seats for most airlines, and the PE seats are quite similar to the old days Y. J is the answer. How do you guys score discount J fares ? I guess I don't have to stick with any particular airlines so it could be easier. and also which airline partner with option town (OT)? I guess I hate to pay for their J product of they are also frocking their J seats off the OT. thanks a lot.