Domestic Row 4/Row 23 and seating for WP Discussion

[JohnK]

Don't worry Simongr. I parked myself in 4F today after being pre-allocated 5B to start with. Big mistake with someone already in 4E. Only about 3-4 Platinums in economy if the CSM offering newspapers was any indication.

All part of the Qantas grand plan to take care of Platinums where possible....

 

[AnonymousCoward]

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Don't worry Simongr. I parked myself in 4F today after being pre-allocated 5B to start with. Big mistake with someone already in 4E. Only about 3-4 Platinums in economy if the CSM offering newspapers was any indication.

All part of the Qantas grand plan to take care of Platinums where possible....

I'm confused

You paid for an economy seat (and probably got a good price). and you received an economy seat (and a pretty desirable one at that). Where are they not taking care of you?

 

[mannej]

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I'm confused

You paid for an economy seat (and probably got a good price). and you received an economy seat (and a pretty desirable one at that). Where are they not taking care of you?

Further to your question, how full was Row 5?

 

[JohnK]

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Further to your question, how full was Row 5?

From what I could see 5E was vacant, 7E was vacant and maybe 8E as well. Further back was a scattering of vacant seats.

I'm confused

You paid for an economy seat (and probably got a good price). and you received an economy seat (and a pretty desirable one at that). Where are they not taking care of you?

You are confused?

I could not select a seat online due to a bug in the system where a flight is scheduled for a 767 is rescheduled to a 738 and then rescheduled again to a 734. Sure I can call and get a seat pre-allocated but I have been busy. Cannot even pre-allocate at T-80 and can only select a seat using OLCI at which time I was busy.

Qantas saw it fit that I be pre-allocated 5B. Yes they were doing me a favour. Were they? When I used OLCI the best I could do was 4F on a 734 with the hope of being able to pick 4CD at some time if I check back often enough.

Not only could I not get 4CD as these already had Platinums but Qantas saw it fit to allow someone with no status to sit in 4E with Platinums in 4D and 4F while there were vacant seats scattered throughout the cabin.

Perhaps I am asking for way too much for a simple computer program to achieve and Qantas looking after it'sd Platinums so well....

 

[wilco]

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From what I could see 5E was vacant, 7E was vacant and maybe 8E as well. Further back was a scattering of vacant seats.


You are confused?

I could not select a seat online due to a bug in the system where a flight is scheduled for a 767 is rescheduled to a 738 and then rescheduled again to a 734. Sure I can call and get a seat pre-allocated but I have been busy. Cannot even pre-allocate at T-80 and can only select a seat using OLCI at which time I was busy.

Qantas saw it fit that I be pre-allocated 5B. Yes they were doing me a favour. Were they? When I used OLCI the best I could do was 4F on a 734 with the hope of being able to pick 4CD at some time if I check back often enough.

Not only could I not get 4CD as these already had Platinums but Qantas saw it fit to allow someone with no status to sit in 4E with Platinums in 4D and 4F while there were vacant seats scattered throughout the cabin.

Perhaps I am asking for way too much for a simple computer program to achieve and Qantas looking after it'sd Platinums so well....

What is the world coming to??
How dare Qantas subject Platinums to the indignity of sitting next to someone with no status in 4E!! In fact, I'm not sure which is worse, that, or your inability to select the seat that is rightfully yours.

I personally have no issue with removing people out of the prime elevated central seats at the cinema, because, as we should all know, it is my god given right to access these seats to the exclusion of all others. Why these plebeians don't understand this is beyond me, but I suppose thats to be expected of people with no status, isn't it.

Im not the biggest QF fan out there, but sorry to say, even I think your being unreasonable on this one. Sometimes a little reality check goes a looooooong way.

 

[nlagalle]

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What is the world coming to??
How dare Qantas subject Platinums to the indignity of sitting next to someone with no status in 4E!! In fact, I'm not sure which is worse.

Im not the biggest QF fan out there, but sorry to say, even I think your being unreasonable on this one.

Sometimes a little reality check goes a long way.

Why is he being unreasonable? The booking system is supposed to look after top tier flyers (and most of the time it does). so yes you would be annoyed if it didn't allocate Row 4 for a platinum but gave it to someone with no status.

I've had issues with AC change and it doesn't give you your seat preference (note JohnK would have either window or aisle in his preferences)

 

[Robert K]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

could the NBs have been travelling with the plats?

 

[TheInsider]

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Why do people keep on making assumptions on what passengers status' are?

Did you know that people with MAAS, WHCR, TRSO, and other requirements are generally required to sit to the front of the a/c. UMNR's at the back of the plane on a aisle. Sitting split passengers together (will be wherevere there are the seats required) and the list goes on.

Yes there are business rules set inside the seating allocation and will generally (9 times out of 10) will be the right way and to generally everyones liking. But there will always be circumstances where things change. The only way to guarantee a seat free next to you (no matter what your status is) is purchasing an EXST (extra seat)!

It could be due to a number of issues. One could be that the flight was full and people were all checked in for the flight, no seats left so this 'scum of the earth non-platnium passenger' was seated on row 4. But when the flight got to the close out, there was a misconnection from an inbound service (DOM or INTL), therefore making those pax no-shows.

Please tell me where the benefit of guaranteed row 4, or blocked seats is a guaranteed benefit or even a published benefit for that matter?

By the way, off topic, but i'm sick of people with status coming up to staff and saying, 'i want this', 'i want that', 'i deserve this', 'i'm not having some pleb sit next to me', 'how dare those bogans down the back take my seat', 'you HAVE to make sure no baby is sitting near me, because i'm GOLD'. This also happens to a few friends that work for DJ in the terminal across the road.

 

[wilco]

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Please tell me where the benefit of guaranteed row 4, or blocked seats is a guaranteed benefit or even a published benefit for that matter?

Im also keen to know where this god anointed right is written. And what is the difference between row 4, 5 or 6? is it going to make any difference to anything? Wow, you might disembark 5 seconds earlier. Good for you!!

I think those who covet row 4 actually think they are somehow better than every other Y passenger on the plane, are happy to be seated amongst their "own kind" and think that other passengers must look at them with a "WOW, he must be special cos he's sat in row 4" expression when in fact id bet my house, none of them give a toss. And remember, J pax trumps you all, so shove that in your pipe and smoke it!!

You people really are something else..... no really. you are.

 

[medhead]

Some people need to take a massive reality check here JohnK is not calling the non-status person in 4E scum.

I know exactly how he feels. It is bloody annoying when there are at least a dozen empty seats in an aircraft starting at row 5, to have someone with no FF program details print on their BP lob into 4B or E. This is not about that person being unworthy. It is about how qantas supposedly understands and looks after it most valuable customers.

Hell! I even have an example of an occupied middle row 4 seat when there were whole empty rows elsewhere in the aircraft. Surely it would have been vastly more comfortable for all concerned to sit for 2 hours without someone jammed into the middle seat.


Sent from my iPhone using Aust Freq Fly app so please excuse the lack of links.

 

[TheInsider]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

Some people need to take a massive reality check here JohnK is not calling the non-status person in 4E scum..

I never said he did call them that, i was making the point that there are numerous passengers that DO call them that though.

I think before this gets into a ****-fight, i'm just saying what it is and what happens.

 

[serfty]

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Im also keen to know where this god anointed right is written. And what is the difference between row 4, 5 or 6? is it going to make any difference to anything? Wow, you might disembark 5 seconds earlier. Good for you!! ...

You are incorrect about the 5 seconds - it's about space.

To put it bluntly, row 4 on a QF 73H has about 34" inches of pitch, the (non exit) rows behind have 30-31". This increases by about 50% the available space at the front of your seat - so yes, they are coveted and for a very good reason.

 

[JohnK]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

Im not the biggest QF fan out there, but sorry to say, even I think your being unreasonable on this one. Sometimes a little reality check goes a looooooong way.

I am being realistic. There have been been a number of times where I have tried to get 4CD and even 23BDFJ on a 767 only to find a person with no status sitting there. Not even a member of the QFF program. You know how that makes me feel as a Platinum?

Im also keen to know where this god anointed right is written. And what is the difference between row 4, 5 or 6? is it going to make any difference to anything? Wow, you might disembark 5 seconds earlier. Good for you!!

Actually you have no idea or you are simply trying to stir up trouble. It does make a difference.

I have missed the airtrain by minutes and I have also missed Coachtrans services by minutes. The next Coachtrans service is an hour away otherwise it is a $50+ cab ride into the city.

Today was a perfect example. I was not in a hurry but we arrived into gate 16 which means one needs to use the stairs not an aerobridge. By the time I was around the Qantas Lounge area I turned around to see 8-10 people behind me and I could about 200 metres down to the sattelite terminal. Where were the rest of them?

I have been in row 8 before and it can be a good 5 minutes before you can get off the aircraft. I need those 5 minutes so my sanity remains in check. I suffer more than enough from Qantas' pointless delays.

Some people need to take a massive reality check here JohnK is not calling the non-status person in 4E scum.

Correct. She looked like a very respectable lady, well behaved and appeared to be pregnant.

 

[wilco]

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You are incorrect about the 5 seconds - it's about space.

To put it bluntly, row 4 on a QF 73H has about 34" inches of pitch, the (non exit) rows behind have 30-31". This increases by about 50% the available space at the front of your seat.

Fine... point taken, but the fact remains that there are ONLY 6 seats in this row. What happens when there are more than 6 WP's? And more to the point, the original complainant was in row 4, just not his preferred aisle or window seat. If he didn't like the middle seat, it seems he had the choice to move, but he chose to stay because he prefers the room in row 4, in which case, put up and shut up.

Im sorry, but some of these WP's think the world owes them something. Whats next? demanding a J seat because DWKWTA?? You pay coach, you fly coach. Simple.

 

[nlagalle]

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Im also keen to know where this god anointed right is written. And what is the difference between row 4, 5 or 6? is it going to make any difference to anything? Wow, you might disembark 5 seconds earlier. Good for you!!

I think those who covet row 4 actually think they are somehow better than every other Y passenger on the plane, are happy to be seated amongst their "own kind" and think that other passengers must look at them with a "WOW, he must be special cos he's sat in row 4" expression when in fact id bet my house, none of them give a toss. And remember, J pax trumps you all, so shove that in your pipe and smoke it!!

You people really are something else..... no really. you are.

(As you other post was removed as i replied i'll have to re-reply..)

Excuse me??? Can I ask how often you travel?

Personally I am on a plane at least twice a week, so yes seat selection is important to me (along with aircraft choice). And greater seat selection of the A/C is a benefit of being a platinum, The only one higher is CL (hence why the first 2 rows of Y are blocked til T-80). Haven't seen yet what P1 has over plain WP yet.

Actually LiamR summarised how much time can be wasted over a year just waiting to get off a plane..

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-selection-virgin-now-33238-4.html#post520331

Today, I was sitting in 3C, having my hand luggage ready and sitting in an aisle seat I was off within seconds. I'm going to pull a Ryan Bingham here, but it'll prove why Seat Selection is important to me.

7mins saving per flight, this year I'll travel 150 sectors.

That's 1050 minutes.
Or 17.5 Hours
That's nearly a day.

You willing to waste a day due to picking a bad seat?

As for selecting a seat at the airport? Not practical, yesterday when I went to do OLCI at around T-22hrs the best seat I could see was a window at Row 10 something. I can't even imagine what it's like at the airport. J was fully booked when I went to checkin this morning.

And as Serfty pointed out, Row 4 offer much more legroom so it is rather sought after.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

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You are confused?

I could not select a seat online due to a bug in the system where a flight is scheduled for a 767 is rescheduled to a 738 and then rescheduled again to a 734.

This would affect all flyers. As you are so fond of reminding us, every flyer, no matter how little profit they generate, is important. I don't see how this is a WP issue.

Qantas saw it fit that I be pre-allocated 5B. Yes they were doing me a favour. Were they? When I used OLCI the best I could do was 4F on a 734 with the hope of being able to pick 4CD at some time if I check back often enough.

Not only could I not get 4CD as these already had Platinums but Qantas saw it fit to allow someone with no status to sit in 4E with Platinums in 4D and 4F while there were vacant seats scattered throughout the cabin.

I was under the impression that people could ask to sit in any seat that is free (with the usual regulatory requirements around exit row seats). I wasn't aware that 4C or 4D were some kind of entitlement of Plat FFs, nor that people could not request to sit in 4E if it's free (let's leave aside the possibilty that whoever was in 4E was on the same PNR as the pax in 4D).

 

[wilco]

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I am being realistic. There have been been a number of times where I have tried to get 4CD and even 23BDFJ on a 767 only to find a person with no status sitting there. Not even a member of the QFF program. You know how that makes me feel as a Platinum

I don't think its any of your business why someone else is sitting in any particular seat. I also don't see how you can possibly know who has what status. Are you secretly eyeing off their BP's?

You, along with everyone else, want the best they can get, its simply human nature, but sadly, there is not enough to go around so sometimes we miss out. Its a fact of life we learn at a young age.

I have missed the airtrain by minutes and I have also missed Coachtrans services by minutes. The next Coachtrans service is an hour away otherwise it is a $50+ cab ride into the city.

Why does this only apply to you? What about the other poor cough that missed his ride by a few minutes because he was sat a few rows back. Im sorry, but your selfishness astounds me.

I have been in row 8 before and it can be a good 5 minutes before you can get off the aircraft. I need those 5 minutes so my sanity remains in check. I suffer more than enough from Qantas' pointless delays.

If you are that desperate for those 5 minutes, then perhaps you shouldn't be flying. I know its stressful, but its stressful for everyone. Same applies to the delays, everyone suffers them. Trust me, you are not alone in this.

Correct. She looked like a very respectable lady, well behaved and appeared to be pregnant.

Yet she was still less deserving of this seat than you because she had no status? Also, I'm curious to know how you know this? Firstly, if you are spying on her BP, then I find this creepy and a bit stalkerish. Try not to worry about what others get and you don't and I think your travels might be a tad more enjoyable.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

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Excuse me??? Can I ask how often you travel?

Please do not start a p*ssing contest, as there are many here (inc moi) who fly a lot more than you.

Actually LiamR summarised how much time can be wasted over a year just waiting to get off a plane..

The addition of an extra pax in 4E is unlikely to significantly affect JohnK's overall disembarking experience.

And as Serfty pointed out, Row 4 offer much more legroom so it is rather sought after.

JohnK was in Row 4 as it was.

That said, being in the first row of economy is not a published benefit of being a WP. Nor is having the seat next to your blocked.

When flying in *business* class, then disembarking first is an advertised benefit. And you get a large seat and not need to worry about the person sitting next to you. So, pay more, and get more. Pay little and you take your chances.

Frankly it sounded like a bit of an over-reaction for a 1 hour flight.

 

[wilco]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

(As you other post was removed as i replied i'll have to re-reply..)

Excuse me??? Can I ask how often you travel?

Personally I am on a plane at least twice a week, so yes seat selection is important to me (along with aircraft choice). And greater seat selection of the A/C is a benefit of being a platinum, The only one higher is CL (hence why the first 2 rows of Y are blocked til T-80). Haven't seen yet what P1 has over plain WP yet.

Actually LiamR summarised how much time can be wasted over a year just waiting to get off a plane..

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-selection-virgin-now-33238-4.html#post520331



And as Serfty pointed out, Row 4 offer much more legroom so it is rather sought after.

I travel at least once a week on a mix of both QF and DJ and have gold with both. Whilst I may not fly as much as you, I fly enough to have a qualified opinion. The same logic could be applied to traffic, supermarket queues and almost every facet of life. What makes you (generally speaking) so important that you're entitled to save that 7minutes at the expense of everyone else??

Regarding row 4, see my reply. There are only 6 seats and if you miss out, BAD LUCK. You do not have a RIGHT to those seats. If you want the room/space, buy J, if not, you get what you're given.

 

[wilco]

Re: Qantas thanks its most loyal customers

Please do not start a p*ssing contest, as there are many here (inc moi) who fly a lot more than you.



The addition of an extra pax in 4E is unlikely to significantly affect JohnK's overall disembarking experience.



JohnK was in Row 4 as it was.

That said, being in the first row of economy is not a published benefit of being a WP. Nor is having the seat next to your blocked.

When flying in *business* class, then disembarking first is an advertised benefit. And you get a large seat and not need to worry about the person sitting next to you. So, pay more, and get more. Pay little and you take your chances.

Frankly it sounded like a bit of an over-reaction for a 1 hour flight.

Well said. Welcome to my respected list.