DAS17/ Circle Asia fare

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Cynicor

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Does anyone have any experience with these fares (Circle Asia and SWP)

I was looking at one for the folks and, as they want to position to SYD or AKL for the trip after and want to see what the F lounge is like (both WPs) I thought starting from AKL would be best.

My question is do I have a valid routing with this: AKL-SYD-NRT-ICN-SIN-PER-SYD-AKL

Stops would be in NRT, ICN, SIN and PER and there is room for an additional sector as I have not checked the existence of direct flights yet. they would also get time in the F lounge on the SYD-NRT sector and the following year SYD-AKL.

Any advice?

Thanks.
 
Since the oneworld web site no longer publishes the xASnn fare rules, here's the current version from E/F:

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Departing AKL on 01/12/13 for AKL
Fare basis code DAS17
Flying QF

Rule Category                           Rule Text

RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS      NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
                                           VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                           CIRCLE ASIA AND SOUTHWEST PACIFIC EXPLORER FARES -
                                           BA/CX/QF/JL/KA/NU/RJ
                                           APPLICATION
                                            CLASS OF SERVICE
                                             THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS
                                              SERVICE.
                                            TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
                                             FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
                                              CIRCLE-TRIP/ORIGIN SINGLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
                                             FARES APPLICABLE BETWEEN POINTS IN AREA 3 FOR
                                              TRAVEL ORIGINATING AND TERMINATING IN -
                                              A. AUSTRALIA         B. CAMBODIA
                                              C. CHINA             D. HONG KONG
                                              E. INDONESIA         F. JAPAN
                                              G. MALAYSIA          H. MYANMAR
                                              I. NEW ZEALAND       J. PAPUA NEW GUINEA
                                              K. PHILIPPINES       L. SINGAPORE
                                              M. SOUTH KOREA       N. TAIWAN
                                              O. THAILAND          P. VIETNAM
                                              ---
                                              FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE.
                                              ---
                                              A MAXIMUM OF 8 FLIGHT SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED FOR
                                              THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
                                              ---
                                              FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS RULE REGIONS ARE DEFINED
                                              AS FOLLOWS -
                                              NORTHEAST ASIA    - TAIWAN/CHINA/JAPAN/SOUTH
                                              KOREA
                                              SOUTHEAST ASIA    - HONG KONG/SINGAPORE/INDONESIA/
                                                                  THAILAND/MALAYSIA/PHILIPPINES/
                                                                  VIETNAM/CAMBODIA/MYANMAR
                                              SOUTHWEST PACIFIC - AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/
                                              ---                 PAPUA NEW GUINEA.
                                            CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
                                             THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
                                              CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
                                              THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
                                              AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
                                              WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
                                              FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER$S BEST
                                              JUDGEMENT.
                                            OTHER CONDITIONS
                                             ---
                                             PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED.
                                        
ELIGIBILITY                                NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
                                        
DAY/TIME                                   NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
                                        
SEASONALITY                                NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
                                        
FLIGHT APPLICATION                               NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  THE TOTAL JOURNEY MUST NOT EXCEED -
                                                  1. MPM OF 13000 FOR AAS13/DAS13/LAS13
                                                     MPM OF 17000 FOR AAS17/DAS17/LAS17
                                                  2. A TOTAL OF 8 FLIGHT SEGMENTS
                                                  ---
                                                  A.TRAVEL MUST BE ON THE SERVICES OF BA/CX/QF/
                                                    JL/KA/NU/RJ AND THEIR AFFILIATES ONLY.
                                                  B.THE JOURNEY MUST INVOLVE TRAVEL TO ALL THREE
                                                    REGIONS AND MUST INCLUDE ONE DIRECT FLIGHT
                                                    BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING REGIONS -
                                                     1. NORTHEAST ASIA - SOUTHWEST PACIFIC
                                                     2. SOUTHEAST ASIA - SOUTHWEST PACIFIC
                                                     3. NORTHEAST ASIA - SOUTHEAST ASIA
                                                  C.ONLY ONE INTERREGIONAL DEPARTURE AND ONE
                                                    INTERREGIONAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH REGION.
                                                    REGIONS ARE DEFINED AS NORTHEAST ASIA/SOUTHEAST
                                                    ASIA/SOUTHWEST PACIFIC.
                                                  D.ONLY ONE INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURE AND ONE
                                                    INTERNATIONAL ARRIVAL TO/FROM THE COUNTRY OF
                                                    ORIGIN IS PERMITTED.
                                                  E.THE SAME CITY PAIRS/SECTORS CANNOT BE FLOWN MORE
                                                    THAN ONCE IN THE SAME DIRECTION.
                                                  F.TRAVEL IS ON ANY BA/CX/QF/JL/KA/NU/RJ
                                                    CODESHARE SERVICE OPERATED BY BA/CX/QF/JL/
                                                    KA/NU/RJ. CODESHARE SERVICES NOT PERMITTED
                                                    WITH THE EXCEPTION OF QF CODESHARE SERVICES
                                                    OPERATED BY JETSTAR / JQ/
                                                    --
                                                    TRAVEL PERMITTED ON THE FOLLOWING AIRLINES WHICH
                                                    ARE AFFILIATED WITH/OR WETLEASE PROVIDERS TO
                                                    ONEWORLD.
                                                    -
                                                    JAPAN AIRLINES - J-AIR - JAL EXPRESS
                                                    -
                                                    QANTAS - ALLIANCE AIRLINES/QANTASLINK OPERATED
                                                    BY EASTERN AUSTRALIA/JETCONNECT/NATIONAL JET
                                                    SYSTEMS AND SUNSTATE AIRLINES.
                                                  G.TRAVEL MAY ORIGINATE AT ANY POINT FOR WHICH
                                                    FARES ARE PUBLISHED AND MUST TERMINATE AT THE
                                                    SAME POINT EXCEPT THAT ORIGIN - DESTINATION
                                                    SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AS FOLLOW
                                                      A - WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                                                    ---
                                                  H.TRAVEL MAY NOT BE VIA THE POINT OF ORIGIN.
                                                  ---
                                                  I.TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED VIA COUNTRIES WEST OF
                                                    THAILAND.
                                                  J.SURFACE TRAVEL AND USE OF OTHER CARRIERS BETWEEN
                                                    INTERMEDIATE POINTS ALONG THE CIRCLE WHICH ARE
                                                    NOT OPERATED BY BA/CX/QF/JL/KA/NU/RJ IS
                                                    PERMITTED AT THE PASSENGERS EXPENSE AND MUST BE
                                                    TICKETED SEPARATELY. MILEAGE MUST BE INCLUDED IN
                                                    THE MPM CALCULATION.
                                        
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING             RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR DEPARTURE OF FIRST
                                           INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                           WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 8 DAYS BEFORE
                                           DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 5 DAYS
                                           BEFORE DEPARTURE.
                                           OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
                                           OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR DEPARTURE OF FIRST
                                                INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                                TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
                                                RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
                                                OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  RESERVATIONS ALSO REQUIRED FOR ALL FLIGHTS
                                                  PRECEDING THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL FLIGHT.
                                                  ---
                                                  BOOKING CODES -            FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY
                                                  BA/CX/QF/JL/KA               A       D       L
                                                  JL DOMESTIC FLIGHTS
                                                  -TO/FROM NRT-                J       J       H
                                                  JL/NU DOMESTIC FLIGHTS
                                                  -OTHER THAN TO/FROM NRT- F       J       Y
                                                  RJ                           D       D       L
                                                  BA WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS                      T
                                                  JL PREMIUM ECONOMY                           W
                                                  QF CX PREMIUM ECONOMY                        R
                                                  ---
                                                  NOTE - FOR FLIGHTS WHERE FIRST OR BUSINESS CLASS
                                                  IS NOT OFFERED OR AVAILABLE PASSENGERS MAY TRAVEL
                                                  IN A LOWER CLASS IN THE APPLICABLE BOOKING CODE
                                                  FOR THAT LOWER CLASS. THE FARE FOR THE HIGHEST
                                                  CLASS USED APPLIES WITHOUT COMPENSATION.
                                        
MINIMUM STAY                               TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE
                                           NO EARLIER THAN 3 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST
                                           INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                        
MAXIMUM STAY                               TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
                                           12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
                                        
STOPOVERS                                  2 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND A MAXIMUM OF 5 PERMITTED ON
                                           THE PRICING UNIT.
                                             STOPOVER ALLOWED ONLY ONCE AT THE SAME POINT.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  1.TWO STOPOVERS REQUIRED OUTSIDE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                                                  2.A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                                                  3.WHERE A PASSENGER DISEMBARKS AT ONE POINT AND
                                                    RE-EMBARKS AT A SUBSEQUENT POINT ENROUTE THE
                                                    POINTS COUNT AS A SINGLE STOPOVER.
                                           AND - UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
                                                 AT USD 150.00 EACH.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  1.ADDITIONAL STOPOVERS MAY NOT BE PURCHASED IN
                                                    COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                                                  2.CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNT NOT APPLICABLE
                                        
TRANSFERS                                  UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
                                           FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON
                                           THE FARE COMPONENT.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  NOT MORE THAN THREE TRANSFERS AT ANY ONE CITY
                                                  PERMITTED.
                                        
COMBINATIONS                                SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT
                                            PERMITTED.
                                            END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH
                                            NO RESTRICTIONS.
                                        
BLACKOUT DATES                             NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
                                        
...<continues>
 
I'm not sure if a OW carrier will be available for the ICN-SIN segment - could SIN be changed to HKG?

Until MH come on board, CX/KA and JL provide the only real services within Asia, limiting segments to to/from their respective hubs.

Can't see any other issues with the itinerary, though.
 
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Thanks for the replies, lots of help.

From my read of the fare rules it seems possible to do this itinerary if the flights exist.

As ICN-SIN likely doesn't, will probably fly to HKG then SIN, as we had a sector free anyway.

Do you know who I should call to book from NZ in NZD rather than ex AU pricing?
 
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