Brisbane Airport construction - oh dear.

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"Brisbane Airport Corporation is progressing with plans for the expansion and upgrade of the Domestic Terminal precinct. Proposed works include constructing a new check-in ‘Pavilion’, reconfiguring the precinct’s road network, upgrading and expanding sections of the existing Domestic Terminal, building a new energy plant for the precinct, constructing a new multi-level car park and significantly expanding aircraft parking capacity. Other works proposed include the upgrade and expansion of sections of the existing Domestic Terminal building."
If you thought the existing Dom terminal was fun to access and use, here's something to look forward to.
I know the end result will be an improvement but after enduring terminal expansions and refurbs for BNE, CNS, TSV, ROK, OOL, SYD etc I don't think I'll still be on the planet when this construction ceases so we can fully utilise it.
As long as the QP is refurbed (again) and we get our apron views back, all will be well....:(
 
Where's JohnK? This'll help his Friday nights! :evil:



They MUST MUST MUST put in an elevated roadway, and have upper level checkin / screening, lower level arrivals/pickup (as per every decent sized airport on the planet! Ok, exaggeration, but works for SYD/MEL/BNE Intl!)

i'm not looking forward to flying ex-BNE anytime soon, but I must admit, it needs to happen.
 
I agree the current BNE terminal is a bit outdated and needs a bit if work done but hey,my nearest airport is Albury,so for me Brissy is the height of luxury!:p
 
*sigh* Looks like BNE is in for disruptive times. It is times like these that I'm glad status allows for premium check-in line usage. (OK, they aren't the best, but it's almost certainly a hell lot better than lining up with the plebs).

BNE could use a real facelift especially with check-in, so I'm glad they identified this. QF could also stand to put more staff at more open counters and using local staff rather than having to fly them all in would probably work in their favour, too.

I'm glad they're also dealing with the current situation of pax crossing the drop-off/pick-up area. There is no control over this at current and the resulting chaos is annoying at best. (Sometimes I wish I was in one of those Asian countries where it's not a case of the car hitting the pax and the driver at fault, but rather the pax not avoiding the car and suffering the consequences of it!)

More carparking??! 9000 parking spaces is insane. Do they really need that many? (I'm not very favourable towards that concrete eye-sore at the front of BNE International).
 
I'm glad they're also dealing with the current situation of pax crossing the drop-off/pick-up area. There is no control over this at current and the resulting chaos is annoying at best. (Sometimes I wish I was in one of those Asian countries where it's not a case of the car hitting the pax and the driver at fault, but rather the pax not avoiding the car and suffering the consequences of it!)

More carparking??! 9000 parking spaces is insane. Do they really need that many? (I'm not very favourable towards that concrete eye-sore at the front of BNE International).
MAybe they're going down the SYd route and going to force all pick ups into the carpark. Then they'll need the 9000 spaces and also fix half the problem of wandering pax.
 
They MUST MUST MUST put in an elevated roadway, and have upper level checkin / screening, lower level arrivals/pickup (as per every decent sized airport on the planet! Ok, exaggeration, but works for SYD/MEL/BNE Intl!)

Have a look through http://www.bne.com.au/content/standard_v4.asp?name=MP_DTX

The elevated, single storey Pavilion is the central component of the proposal, allowing significant space for new check-in and baggage facilities. This innovative solution will separate pedestrians and vehicles at the terminal face improving efficiency, safety and comfort for all terminal users. Passengers will either be dropped off onto a central island under the Pavilion where they will use travelators and lifts to move up into the Pavilion or will walk into the new building via walkways above the roadways from the car parks and the Airtrain station.

A key focus during BAC’s planning was to redesign the precinct’s road network to provide easier and safer access to the Domestic Terminal for pedestrians and faster entry and exit of the precinct for vehicles. Private vehicles, taxis and other transportation modes will also have dedicated lanes meaning less merging and weaving, which will also assist in improving traffic flows within the precinct. The reconfigured roads within the precinct will ultimately connect with BAC’s $200+ million Northern Access Road that is due for completion around mid 2009, as well as the precinct’s car parks, including a new multi-level short-stay car park.

The new eight-level car park will provide up to 5,300 new undercover car parks which, in combination with the existing long-term multi-level car park, would provide more than 9,000 parking spaces within the Domestic Terminal precinct. The new multi-level car park would feature innovative safety and security technologies including entry and exit number plate recognition, real-time displays of available car parks and closed circuit security cameras linked to a central control room. The proposed multi-level car park would be situated on the existing short stay parking area between the Domestic Terminal and the current long-term multi-level car park.

Other works proposed include the upgrade and expansion of sections of the existing Domestic Terminal building and building a new Central Energy Plant for the precinct.

No elevated driveway - although I did believe it was happening in an earlier set of plans...
 
The site plans are pretty scarce at the moment but I'm sure there will be a 4-lane exit facility for departing cabs - won't there??
That and the Airtrain operating till the last flight will be a great step forward - won't it??
 
The site plans are pretty scarce at the moment but I'm sure there will be a 4-lane exit facility for departing cabs - won't there??
That and the Airtrain operating till the last flight will be a great step forward - won't it??

Airtrain has a "noise curfew" type restriction at the moment for late night trips which was arranged during the initial service implementation. I presume it's for the houses around Eagle Junction side of the Toombul shops that the restriction is for.

While I want it to start earlier and finish later, this could be a stumbling block that will take a while to sort out.

As for taxis, I'm sure they'll find a way to make things more complex!
 
Airtrain has a "noise curfew" type restriction at the moment for late night trips which was arranged during the initial service implementation. I presume it's for the houses around Eagle Junction side of the Toombul shops that the restriction is for.

While I want it to start earlier and finish later, this could be a stumbling block that will take a while to sort out.

Stupid curfew!

I guess there's always CoachTrans to the rescue. I'm not sure how far in advance you need to book, however (and/or whether they accept walk-ups). It also takes longer to get to the city.

As for taxis, I'm sure they'll find a way to make things more complex!

Catching a taxi from BNE at worst just takes time. No better nor worse than any major domestic airport in the country. In fact, PER is worse than BNE, but that's probably more due to the fact that there aren't enough taxis in PER, full stop. I haven't seen SYD T3 in the peak rush out.

As for taxis coming in, giving them a dedicated drop off rather than the common drop off area (as it is currently) would be a godsend.
 
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Where's JohnK? This'll help his Friday nights! :evil:
I have given up on the current BNE domestic airport.

Ay improvement is welcome even if it means being inconvenienced during the renovations. Can't be any worse that it is now....
 
More carparking??! 9000 parking spaces is insane. Do they really need that many? (I'm not very favourable towards that concrete eye-sore at the front of BNE International).

I went to park in the BNE domestic long term at around 2.30pm yesterday, electronic sign board displaying all undercover parking full. So I am parked out in the sun somewhere a mile from the terminals. Yes, more parking is needed. Odd thing is, hasnt it only just been updated.
 
More carparking??! 9000 parking spaces is insane. Do they really need that many? (I'm not very favourable towards that concrete eye-sore at the front of BNE International).

Unfortunately, yes they do - have lost count of the times I've rolled up at long-stay car parking before an overnight trip somewhere, 1 hour before the flight, then wasted 20 minutes of it trawling the upper decks of the concrete eye-sore looking for a spot. Stressful... (It does seem to have become worse over the last two years).
 
I went to park in the BNE domestic long term at around 2.30pm yesterday, electronic sign board displaying all undercover parking full. So I am parked out in the sun somewhere a mile from the terminals. Yes, more parking is needed. Odd thing is, hasnt it only just been updated.
Perhaps more people are driving themselves to BNE airport due to the fiasco that is currently the taxi rank and its complete non-performance.
 
Perhaps more people are driving themselves to BNE airport due to the fiasco that is currently the taxi rank and its complete non-performance.

I park because even parking for 3 or 4 days is cheaper than a return taxi :p
 
Don't know how current this is in their plans, but I saw some plans for this Domestic upgrade a while ago and the "Check-in Pavilion" was above the current kerbside roads... that is, you drive in at ground level, get out and go up to the check-in pavilion. I guess they're trying to think of ways of expanding the checkin areas which are currently on ground level, which also impinge on any expansion plans for baggage carousels.

It also puts departures on one level, from the Airtrain, through check-in, through security, (through to lounge if you're lucky enough!) and through to the boarding gate.

Sounds like a good idea to me!
 
From the Brisbane Airport website:
The elevated, single storey Pavilion is the central component of the proposal, allowing significant space for new check-in and baggage facilities. This innovative solution will separate pedestrians and vehicles at the terminal face improving efficiency, safety and comfort for all terminal users. Passengers will either be dropped off onto a central island under the Pavilion where they will use travelators and lifts to move up into the Pavilion or will walk into the new building via walkways above the roadways from the car parks and the Airtrain station
Don't know why they don't want to duplicate the multi-level arrivals/departures roads similar to the INT terminal.:confused:
 
The problem seems to me looking at that drawing, that you've still got pick up / drop off occurring in the same place. Great, you dont get killed by a taxi anymore as you go up the travellator, but your pickup/dropoff still cant get in because it's so congested. They also need a seperate (?sp) entrance to the Virgin drop off/pick up area (and I say this as a QF flyer!) as you finally clear the QF dropoff mess and you get stuck @ DJ!

To be fair, the taxi and limo guys are actually pretty good about stopping for pedestrians, it's more the outer crossing where you take your life in your hands with Joe Average whos busy texting/calling/watching his beloved walk into the terminal.


I REALLY think they need to elevate the roadway and make drop off upper, collection/hirecar/taxi lower. Looks like they'll go for the "cheap" option, and then have to re-do it in 7-10 years time anyway. Stupid.

I agree needs more carparking (because the train is useless unless there's one of you and you go straight to Bowen Hills/CBD).
 
No very different... especially for departures. The picture I saw is as the text describes... you get out of your car... go up travelators above the roads and then head to the check-in without having to cross roads at ground level at all. And very different principle to BNE INT.

The current BNE DOM kerbside road setup with all the pedestrian crossings is atrocious. The traffic banks back for ages, and all the departing or arriving people create congestion in that first section before the first Pedestrian crossing.

This other way, all the people go straight up and get out of the way of the traffic... traffic can flow through a bit quicker without having to wait for people to cross roads. This is the same problem that exists in MEL kerbside (ground and level 1) and SYD (ground level) as people try to get to the carparks or Hotel (MEL). They at least have traffic/pedestrian signals, but I reckon these cause even more delays than the Security Personnel who control the BNE crossings.

I think it's quite an elegant design: a bit like platforms at a train station with grade-separation between pedestrians and traffic just like at a train station (except if you have to cross the rail line.. e.g. Ferny Grove, Mitchelton).
 
Except that you still have double the traffic instead of splitting it into two.
 
The problem seems to me looking at that drawing, that you've still got pick up / drop off occurring in the same place. Great, you dont get killed by a taxi anymore as you go up the travellator, but your pickup/dropoff still cant get in because it's so congested. They also need a seperate (?sp) entrance to the Virgin drop off/pick up area (and I say this as a QF flyer!) as you finally clear the QF dropoff mess and you get stuck @ DJ!

Perhaps they'll be smart enough to segregate the traffic lanes for different Airlines/Drop-off areas... similar to my train station analogy... have a different line to direct traffic to a different drop off area (platform) and pedestrian traffic flow up travelators from each platform without crossing roads, therefore not inteferring with traffic flows from other platforms.


| | [DJ
| ^ | ^ [DJ T
| | [DJ
| ^ | ^ |
QF] | |
T QF] ^ | ^ |
QF] | |

T = Travelator to pavilion above
^ = direction of traffic in lane
QF] = Qantas drop-off/pick-up "platform"
DJ] = Virgin Blue drop-off/pick-up "platform"

In this model, you could even have a central island platform, which could even further segregate drop-offs and pick-ups.

| | | | | [DD
| ^ | ^ | | ^ | ^ [DD T
| | | T | | [DD
| ^ | ^ | | ^ | ^ |
| | [QA DA] | |
| ^ | ^ [QA DA] ^ | ^ |
| | [QA DA] | |
| ^ | ^ | | ^ | ^ |
QD] | | | | |

T QD] ^ | ^ | T | ^ | ^ |
QD] | | | | |

QD = QF Departures
QA = QF Arrivals
DA = DJ Departures
DD = DJ Departures

And keep in mind, they will reclaim a large area kerbside by putting pedestrian areas above... so they could increase the number of lanes, not to mention that there is a lot of wasted roadways currently in front of the terminal. Plus if they are going to go upwards with their carpark, then you can afford to steal some (more) of the ground level car park for improving efficiency in the road system below.

 
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