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A failure of the wing box would lead to the wings clapping. This seems a bit like the US Marine aircraft that was lost after a prop chopped its way through the fuselage. Nasty, no matter the cause.

Even more noteworthy, but neither crew selected TO/GA when they realised things looked wrong. In the case of MAS, the captain didn’t because “he didn’t want to startle the FO”. I suspect he would have been even more startled if they’d run into something.

From an MD-11 person, apparently the inhibit on the warnings that exists from V1 gets rid of the visuals, but not the fire bell. That's strange anyway, 'cos a bell going off without the associated lights would be confusing, which is why the inhibits exist in the first place.

I don't think that 2 people made the same error at all. I think that one person looked at the NOTAMs (maybe) and one person listened to the ATIS. The second person's error was in not getting the ATIS themselves. There's no point to working out the data separately (did they do that, I wonder), if...

OH&S….keep them as far from aviation as you can. The only safe aircraft, is, as we all know, one that doesn’t ever fly. Runway works happen all over the world, basically all of the time. Having a runway shortened is not at all unusual. The issue with Australia is that we have no equal length...

I agree that NOTAM information can be missed....but, there's no excuse for not having a good read of the paperwork for your departure airport, even if you leave everything else until later. My take on this is that reading of NOTAMS wasn't something they did at all. ATIS isn't that long, and it...

These are shockers, that I hadn't heard about before. https://www.atsb.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-11/AO-2023-043%20Final.pdf

I prefer sneaking around in silence. Do a search for a YouTube channel called Growling Sidewinder.

Updating my sim.

The coughulative surface area of all the cars in the world would have to be many times that of all the aircraft...so it should be more likely to hit a car. It's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over.

It's a freight operation, so I expect that their schedules aren't quite as tight as passenger ops. And I can't imagine any short term maintenance work that could cause an engine to depart. I think it's a fair assumption to say that it happened as a result of the separation. It's unlikely to be...

It's not rare at all. You can pretty much guarantee seeing it when flying in the bigger cloud masses.

They would have done nothing about the fire, etc. The issue that has to be dealt with first is keeping the aircraft under control, and then hopefully projecting the flight path somewhere reasonable. Once off the runway, the wing is producing lift, but also masses of induced drag. That's a...

I wouldn’t expect you to get any warnings at all. Almost everything is inhibited from roughly 100 knots until around 400’. Beyond that though, the major components of the fire system are no longer attached to the aircraft. The #1 engine display may disappear, or go off scale. All warnings are...

We've just replaced our Range Rover Sport with a Golf GTI. Sold the caravan, so no need for a tow vehicle any more.

Not really, other than a lot. The INS is an offshoot of the aircraft's inertial reference system, which in turn provides us with attitude information and accelerometers for the FBW. The GPS is a separate system, but they come together via the FMCs. There would be multiple black boxes involved...

We flew around the world quite happily just using INS with VOR/DME updating.

This isn’t a risk tolerance issue. It’s a really poor bit of flying. It gives a spectacular snippet of video which the internet then mistakes for the exact opposite of what it is.

Effectively zero. The recent media noise was pretty obviously a balloon.

Both pilots have their hands on the controls. My guess would be that the bloke on the right is ghosting the captain. Engines being controlled by a flight engineer. The amount of throttle movement is extreme. A tad rough I guess.