Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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HappyFlyerFamily said:
Another day where journalist asks for data - eg percentage of workers, percentage of asymptomatic tests - and end up hearing nothing.

Anyway - some/most on this thread not interested in data - big numbers do people's head in.
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they are just never going to allow themselves to get locked to any figures outside of the 80% vaccination rate becuase it was provided by a liable third party, even that one they are still a bit wooly around. just pollies being pollies. journo's asking questions they know wont be answered just makes me think they want to be in the limelight rather than get the information they can.
 
Pom-DownUnder said:
they are just never going to allow themselves to get locked to any figures outside of the 80% vaccination rate becuase it was provided by a liable third party, even that one they are still a bit wooly around. just pollies being pollies. journo's asking questions they know wont be answered just makes me think they want to be in the limelight rather than get the information they can.
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What are you on about? Journalists are asking for historical data for example like percentage of positives being workers from LGAs of concern

If the Federal CMO can get that out of "first" 6000 NSW Delta cases 1% was fully vaccinated and 3% was one dose and 4% was one dose within 3 weeks, I'm sure there is a lot of historical data available that could be shared.

It will give the journalists something to do/work with for a day or two.......
 
HappyFlyerFamily said:
What are you on about? Journalists are asking for historical data for example like percentage of positives being workers from LGAs of concern

If the Federal CMO can get that out of "first" 6000 NSW Delta cases 1% was fully vaccinated and 3% was one dose and 4% was one dose within 3 weeks, I'm sure there is a lot of historical data available that could be shared.

It will give the journalists something to do/work with for a day or two.......
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my bad, went back and re-read your post originally, only half read it while watching news conferences
 
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ACT records 16 new cases of COVID-19​

One is linked to a childcare centre, bringing the number of active cases in the territory to 83.

Eleven of the new cases are linked to existing cases, with five still under investigation — meaning nine of the 83 cases are currently unlinked.

The announcement comes as two positive COVID-19 cases have been identified across the border in Queanbeyan.

It is understood the two people work in the ACT but live in Queanbeyan.

The territory and surrounding regional NSW are currently in lockdown.

....courtesy ABC blog
 
HappyFlyerFamily said:
Even if you didn't collect it at testing - it would have to be one of the first few questions asked at contact tracing to determine the infectious period........
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My point is we'll never no the % of asymptomatic tests because from my experience they don't ask why you're getting tested.

They do know how many people are contacts and need to be tested, or they did back when they traced every venue.
 
So much mis-information spreading like Covid. Almost an ex-post rewriting of the narrative to change reality.

NSW Health labelled it at a later date as a 'superspreader event' - but that did not make it illegal. No 'shutdowns', home limit numbers etc were enacted until the following Friday, then on Saturday 26th all of Greater Sydney. Almost like re-writing the narrative to divert attention.

Or perhaps mixing up two separate events.

Legal birthday party on 19th vs illegal party held at Meriton Suites, Waterloo after the lockdown commenced Saturday June 26th

OATEK said:
Yes, like the Hoxton illegal gathering that kicked it off big time up here.
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Please post any links that confirm your posts.

"The birthday party in the suburb in western Sydney took place on June 19, three days after the first community case was reported and before the outbreak had prompted any restrictions on gatherings."
SydneySwan said:
Ah yes. What was it - 46 cases from the '30' attendees? And the organiser 'forgot' about her father from Melbourne attending! No video though.
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And here is where the mis-information about the 30 figure may have come from, Brad Hazzard who is not known for accuracy in initial comments such as about the twin removalists getting their CV+ results more than a day before they left for regional NSW:


“I can report that of the more than 30 people that were at that party, 24 of those people are now positive for Covid-19,” Brad Hazzard told reporters on Monday.
“And not one of those 24 people were vaccinated. I could also advise that six health workers who attended at that party, who were fully vaccinated, not one of those people has been infected with (the coronavirus).
“I can also report that there was one aged care worker at the party, who’d had the first dose, and that aged care worker was also not infected at the party.”

6 + 24 = 30 which is the figure many keep running with and claiming 'illegal gathering'.
30 + 1 = 31

No record though of anyone, even Brad Hazzard calling it an illegal gathering as it was not.

There is not one article with the search 'Hoxton Park Party illegal' that states the Birthday Party was illegal, nor using 'lied', 'misled', 'mislead', 'hid' or 'hide' etc.

If someone can locate such an article then please provide a link.

There is one article from July 10th mentions both the illegal Meriton Suites party in Waterloo and the legal West Hoxton Park birthday party.

www.abc.net.au

Police bust Sydney lockdown parties in escalation of COVID compliance checks

Illegal party-goers in Randwick and the Central Coast are among the 167 penalty infringement notices issued by NSW Police, as Deputy Commissioner Gary Worboys takes aim at people celebrating amid the worsening COVID crisis.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

A birthday party in West Hoxton — held before the lockdown, on June 19 — has been linked to 45 infections.
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A gathering at another Meriton Suites, at Waterloo, which was held on the first day of Greater Sydney's lockdown, has so far been linked to 35 cases, with 10 new infections identified on Friday.

The West Hoxton Park birthday party was fully legal when it was held on June 19th.

Gladys stated at the June 18th 11am briefing that 'no functions need be cancelled'.

The first 'shutdown' for people living in the Waverley, Woolahra & Randwick LGAs, or people who could work from home instead of working in those LGAs etc - was to begin nearly a week later.

NSW Contact tracing knew about the father from the day after the positive test result on Wednesday June 23rd. However, in full accordance with the existing rules, he flew back to Melbourne on Sunday June 20th. Jerome praised him for his conduct, and as of the date of his Vic CV test coming back positive - NSW contact tracing had not contacted him as it was only a day after the first NSW +ve test from the party.

 
^ Agreed the Hoxton Park party was not illegal. It was almost a week before NSW locked down Bondi and surrounds (from memory East Sydney council on June 25 when cases hit 19, and broader Sydney a day later)

The Hoxton Park party was also on Day3 post the initial Limo man positive test.

And not sure if it was established how the virus got from limo man to someone at that party.

It was just a very unfortunate scenario, of an infection in a remote area to the initial source, a super spreader event, and one that took quite a while for the first case to emerge.
 
moa999 said:
^ Agreed the Hoxton Park party was not illegal. It was almost a week before NSW locked down Bondi and surrounds.
And Day3 post the initial Limo man positive test.

And not sure if it was established how the virus got from limo man to someone at that party
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I think from Limo it eventually got to a hairdresser, one of its employees attended the West Hoxton party.
 
moa999 said:
^ Agreed the Hoxton Park party was not illegal. It was almost a week before NSW locked down Bondi and surrounds (from memory East Sydney council on June 25 when cases hit 19, and broader Sydney a day later)

The Hoxton Park party was also on Day3 post the initial Limo man positive test.

And not sure if it was established how the virus got from limo man to someone at that party.

It was just a very unfortunate scenario, of an infection in a remote area to the initial source, a super spreader event, and one that took quite a while for the first case to emerge.
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My understanding was that the Hoxton party exceeded the allowable number of visitors, one of whom returned infected to Vic. Agree that is they had kept the number under 30 that it would not have been illegal, but that was eventually disproven.
 
dairyfloss said:
A real spring in her step today! It's very refreshing. Acceptance, and the relief it can bring is an amazing thing.
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Yes, accepting your fate and circumstance is actually empowering because you regain some control and that is what humans crave. The constant yo-going with unrealistic goals is what is killing people mentally.

A few weeks ago I said on this very thread when it was clear NSW had lost control and game was up for Covid-0 Australia that I personally felt a great wave of relief that although still tough, we are course correcting to something more realistic.

The other states will fall as well into this, ACT certainly, VIC most probably, QLD won’t be able to keep it out for much longer. Just a matter of time now.
 
jakeseven7 said:
Yes, accepting your fate and circumstance is actually empowering because you regain some control and that is what humans crave. The constant yo-going with unrealistic goals is what is killing people mentally.

A few weeks ago I said on this very thread when it was clear NSW had lost control and game was up for Covid-0 Australia that I personally felt a great wave of relief that although still tough, we are course correcting to something more realistic.

The other states will fall as well into this, ACT certainly, VIC most probably, QLD won’t be able to keep it out for much longer. Just a matter of time now.
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QLD CHO said yesterday she wants NSW to get to zero cases before she opens the border.

NSW will never get to zero cases.

May as well erect the wall now.
 
moa999 said:
^ Agreed the Hoxton Park party was not illegal. It was almost a week before NSW locked down Bondi and surrounds (from memory East Sydney council on June 25 when cases hit 19, and broader Sydney a day later)
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Wasn't there a limit of 30 guests in a private residence even before the Bondi cluster kicked off?
 
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OATEK said:
My understanding was that the Hoxton party exceeded the allowable number of visitors, one of whom returned infected to Vic. Agree that is they had kept the number under 30 that it would not have been illegal, but that was eventually disproven.
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I can't find any reference to 30 being the allowable number of visitors at that time. The public health order that seems to have been in place at that time allows for 100 visitors and even more subject to certain conditions.

Part 2 Residential premises 8 Directions about number of persons allowed on residential premises (1) A responsible person is directed not to allow more than 100 visitors to be at a place of residence, or more than 100 persons to use premises for the purpose of a holiday home or a short-term rental, at the one time unless—
(a) each visitor or person provides their contact details by electronically registering them by means of a mobile phone or other device at the time the person enters the premises with— (i) Service NSW, or (ii) a responsible person, and
(b) a responsible person— (i) has and complies with a COVID-19 Safety Plan that addresses the matters required by the approved COVID-19 safety checklist set out opposite the type of premises in Schedule 1, Column 3, and (ii) keeps a copy of the COVID-19 Safety Plan while the gathering occurs at the premises and makes it available for inspection by an authorised officer or a police officer as requested.
Extract from Public Health (COVID-19 Gathering Restrictions) Order (No 2) 2021
Commenced at the beginning of 2 June 2021


Ministerial Diection reduced number of visitors to 5 effective 26 June.

Division 2 Residential premises 9 Directions of Minister about number of visitors to a place of residence
(1) The Minister directs that each adult member of a household must not allow more than 5 visitors to be at the place of residence of the household at any one time.
Extract from Public Health (COVID-19 Temporary Movement and Gathering Restrictions) Order 2021

Can anyone provide information re the supposed limit on visitors of 30 at that time?


PS Not trying to nit pick just don't like the continual use of "illegal" when maybe that wasn't the case.
 
moa999 said:
^ Agreed the Hoxton Park party was not illegal. It was almost a week before NSW locked down Bondi and surrounds (from memory East Sydney council on June 25 when cases hit 19, and broader Sydney a day later)

The Hoxton Park party was also on Day3 post the initial Limo man positive test.

And not sure if it was established how the virus got from limo man to someone at that party.

It was just a very unfortunate scenario, of an infection in a remote area to the initial source, a super spreader event, and one that took quite a while for the first case to emerge.
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OATEK said:
My understanding was that the Hoxton party exceeded the allowable number of visitors, one of whom returned infected to Vic. Agree that is they had kept the number under 30 that it would not have been illegal, but that was eventually disproven.
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bcworld said:
Wasn't there a limit of 30 guests in a private residence even before the Bondi cluster kicked off?
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According to this listing of historical rules

gathering and movement - NSW legislation

legislation.nsw.gov.au legislation.nsw.gov.au

This rules applied on 19 June


I think this is the relevant rule (probably easier to read the relevant pdf page - page 6)

8 Directions about number of persons allowed on residential premises (1) A responsible person is directed not to allow more than 100 visitors to be at a place of residence, or more than 100 persons to use premises for the purpose of a holiday home or a short-term rental, at the one time unless— (a) each visitor or person provides their contact details by electronically registering them by means of a mobile phone or other device at the time the person enters the premises with— (i) Service NSW, or (ii) a responsible person, and (b) a responsible person— (i) has and complies with a COVID-19 Safety Plan that addresses the matters required by the approved COVID-19 safety checklist set out opposite the type of premises in Schedule 1, Column 3, and (ii) keeps a copy of the COVID-19 Safety Plan while the gathering occurs at the premises and makes it available for inspection by an authorised officer or a police officer as requested. (2) A person is directed not to participate in a gathering that contravenes subclause (1).
 
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