Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted


According to Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, we will have the first results of a Coronavirus Vaccine by late July, which is less than 6 weeks away.

So I really think people should listen to our scientists and be hopeful that the vaccine is effective so that we can vaccinate those in need as soon as possible.
 
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CR, there will never be a vaccine. We have to live with this, and it will take some pain for Governments and Countries to realise you can't wrap us all up in cotton wool. Best case scenario for (relatively) unfettered international travel may be mid next year at the earliest.
 

According to Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, we will have the first results of a Coronavirus Vaccine by late July, which is less than 6 weeks away.

So I really think people should listen to our scientists and be hopeful that the vaccine is effective so that we can vaccinate those in need as soon as possible.

Again, you are putting over-optimistic spin on this.

What I have read (from Yahoo 7, often not as good a source as for instance 'The Australian') is:


'The world could know within weeks if a coronavirus vaccine is imminent.

Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy says the first results from the clinical trials of several different candidates should be known by late July.

“That would be a good time for us to tell whether any of the candidate molecules are looking promising,” he told reporters in Canberra on Monday...'

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'Clinical trials' are not 'approved release of a vaccine.' Even I, as someone whose knowledge of medicine would fit on a tick's testicl_, know that.

I like how optimistic you are but as some above have suggested, including at least one AFFer who I gather is a doctor of medicine, these developments take time (and may perhaps never occur).

Also note the 'coulds' and 'shoulds' in the above article. They're qualifiers: nothing is a certainty. As p-and-t implied, we ought not bet our properties on it.

It's difficult for many of us, although my travel would only be for leisure so hardly a matter of life and death.

Others have elderly parents they want to see before they pass away. Much more important than anything I'd see overseas. My role is to pray that 'some way out' of the pandemic will be found in Our Lord's good time. But it won't be instant, that's for sure.
 
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According to Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, we will have the first results of a Coronavirus Vaccine by late July, which is less than 6 weeks away.

So I really think people should listen to our scientists and be hopeful that the vaccine is effective so that we can vaccinate those in need as soon as possible.

Once again READ what he said, not what you wanted him to say.

He said the results from some the first stage of some trials may be ready for evaluation late July. He didn't say it was the final stage of trials. He didn't say how many further stages of trials were anticipated. He didn't say something would be evaluated by then. He didn't say anything would be ready to go to the approval stage by then.

It is prudent regardless of any of that, given the fierce competition for resources that will definitely occur regardless of who or what or when of a vaccine or other treatment becomes available to start looking on how our manufacturing resources might cope given the time it takes to prepare. For example the Flu vaccine requires farmers to supply millions upon millions of eggs for the manufacturing process. Depending on the techniques required, we might need to place orders for specialised equipment to be manufactured overseas and import them which could take 6 months or more.
 
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According to Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, we will have the first results of a Coronavirus Vaccine by late July, which is less than 6 weeks away.

So I really think people should listen to our scientists and be hopeful that the vaccine is effective so that we can vaccinate those in need as soon as possible.


Please stop. This is becoming tiresome.
 
Please stop. This is becoming tiresome.
I think there are a lot of us who desperately want these media reports to be true. It takes a little while for it to sink in that they are exactly like the media reports for the latest cure for pancreatic/ ovarian/ bowel cancer and that they are overly optimistic in order to drive traffic to their sites.
I’m ever the optimist with regards to the progress of medical science in the fight against Covid-19. The stakes here globally, economically, politically and from a population health perspective are massively different to any other disease facing us right now.
I’m just a bit more of a realist than some
 
I think there are a lot of us who desperately want these media reports to be true. It takes a little while for it to sink in that they are exactly like the media reports for the latest cure for pancreatic/ ovarian/ bowel cancer and that they are overly optimistic in order to drive traffic to their sites.
Add an effective treatment / vaccine for Alzheimer's disease - it is becoming increasingly likely there won't be one for the remaining of my professional career. With regards to a vaccine for Covid 19, it will be a miracle if one is developed and widely available in a year's time!
 
Cityrail, you say ‘listen to the scientists’, but you produce nothing from scientists, only selective quotes from media beatups. I recommend you should do what you request of others. Here’s an article from a pair of professors of immunology. Please read. I’m not saying it’s great, as I’m not an immuniologist, but I’m saying you should do what you demand others do: listen to the scientists.

The conversation - Fast COVID-19 vaccine timelines are unrealistic and put the integrity of scientists at risk

The transcript of the press conference that your article refers to is on health.gov.au. Please also read what Dr Murphy was asked, and what he actually said.

QUESTION: What is your assessment of how the quest for a vaccine is coming along, and secondly, what is your assessment of how Australia is placed in terms of manufacturing that vaccine?

BRENDAN MURPHY: Sure, so, there are several candidate vaccine molecules in clinical trials at the moment. Probably the first results of any clinical trials would be available in late July. That would be a good time for us to tell whether any of the candidate molecules are looking promising. There are several different types of potential vaccines. We are actively examining manufacturing capacity in Australia. For some of those types of vaccines, we potentially do have good manufacturing capacity. For others, we don't currently have it and we are exploring that. There is a very significant lot of work being done on vaccines at the moment.

None of this is saying anything about when anything might actually be released, its talking about first results of clinical trials. And the question about manufacturing is a separate one altogether, which got a separate answer

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...It is prudent regardless of any of that, given the fierce competition for resources that will definitely occur regardless of who or what or when of a vaccine or other treatment becomes available to start looking on how our manufacturing resources might cope given the time it takes to prepare. For example the Flu vaccine requires farmers to supply millions upon millions of eggs for the manufacturing process. Depending on the techniques required, we might need to place orders for specialised equipment to be manufactured overseas and import them which could take 6 months or more.

One further point in addition to your good contribution is that in Australia, we have world leading company CSL based in Broadmeadows, Melbourne that is Australia's highest value listed company now (ahead of CBA and global icons like BHP) so that helps to give us a good start should there be any positive developments in the field of medicine.

Remember that the so-called 'Club of Rome' economists predicted (in about 1972) doom and gloom for the world. Instead, population has hugely risen since then, until this latest pandemic untold millions had been lifted out of material poverty - though latter term has some subjectivity - and there's been lots more opportunity in the world.
 
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I heard from across the ditch that the enthusiasm for the Trans-Tasman bubble is waning. No great appetite to be signed off now before the election (19 Sep) given the outbreak in Vic and response.

Also disquiet with the soft approach taken with messaging from Fed, Vic and NSW Govts around “advising not to travel to/from hotspots” as opposed to a tougher approach of a hard lockdown. May be contributing to the firmer message coming out today than yesterday.

Thirdly, some unhappiness with ScoMo’s comments at yesterday’s presser that “outbreak management was the responsibility of the states”. Whilst obviously that comment was intended for domestic consumption, it wasn’t in line with expectations of how risks within a Trans-Tasman bubble would be managed.
 
I think 12 month's protection should be sufficient and I am really hoping that with the roll out of AstraZeneca vaccine we can resume international travel as soon as possible later this year.

I believe CEOs have insider information which they will be liable if they cannot provide a truthful information to the public, moreover, I am quietly confident of a SARS-Cov-2 vaccine be introduced at the end of the year because governments across the western world have been pouring millions of dollars into Operation Warp Speed, which they are hoping this can be over as soon as possible and reopen the economy.

I would say a half-baked vaccine which provides a limited amount of protection would enable scientists to buy more time to develop a more permanent vaccine.

Moreover, besides vaccine, Australians have already found an anti-viral from Monash University which they are hoping for roll out before the end of the year:

www.perthnow.com.au/news/coronavirus/australian-scientists-make-global-breakthrough-on-new-antiviral-drug-against-covid-19-infection-ng-b881584958z

I believe everyone is desperate for this to be over and I believe our scientists are working around the clock to ensure this happens.
Half baked vaccines can be dangerous and actually worsen the disease as happened with polio initially.Quite a few vaccines have ended up failing in phase 1,2 or 3 trials so these should not be shortened.

Then there is this from a PDF-vaccines successes and failures.For costs this is from 2010 so larger now.

"Second, all involved must understand the amount
of time and money required to bring these vaccines from the bench to
the people. Time can be measured directly. Cost data, on the other
hand, are more difficult to obtain from industry. Such information is
not readily available for most vaccines. Yet, recently, two companies
have released some cost data that can be used as examples. One,
VaxGen, reported on the costs of its failed HIV vaccine. They stated
that their total costs, through phase III, were approximately $300
million [5]. The other company, Aviron, reportedthe costs required to
develop their Flumist nasal influenza vaccine. Those costs were estimated
to be $340 million for a fully licensed product [6]. For both of
these products, the time from bench to end of phase III testing and/or
licensure took a decade or more
and we can be assured that by the
time the final product would have reached the street, the costs would
be two to three times higher."

Note the time it can take to develop some vaccines.The SARS vaccine was finally ready for Phase 3 trials in 2016.If any vaccine was going to be effective by October it might have been this one hoping for cross immunity.It possibly was tested again in phase 1 trials to see if antibodies to Covid 19 were induced but I can find no reports of this.Here is a report on that vaccine.

 
The main thing we have got at the moment with vaccines is a range of candidates. Hopefully, one or more, will work out, but it's going to take time.
 
Kiwi view on the bubble in this article.
Didn't realise they've got an election in 3 months

And notice how now people are tested twice in quarantine.this is being strictly enforced since the 2 English women were allowed early release on compassionate grounds.
Add in that the PM was possibly headed for defeat in January but ahead massively in the polls now.doesn't want to risk that.
 
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And notice how now people are tested twice in quarantine.this is being strictly enforced since the 2 English women were allowed early release on compassionate grounds.
Add in that the PM was possibly headed for defeat in January but ahead massively in the polls now.doesn't want to risk that.

Acting on the SA model as well.
 
Yes, I love that saying, “ignorance never stopped anybody having an opinion“. It’s up there with my favourites.

Cityrail, I love your boundless hopefulness.There is the wild card. Trump! I can just imagine him personally approving something, on the basis of nothing much, around about Halloween and just before the US election🤯. Alas for your argument, I doubt such an approval would convince narky stick-in-the-muds like the FDA or the TGA to release anything. I finish with a quote from H. G. Nelson, always apt for discussion boards

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This isn’t looking good for international travel bans to be removed
26 Passengers test positive for Covid-19
“Public health officials in Hong Kong have revealed that 26 passengers who arrived in the city on June 20 after travelling onboard an Emirates flight from Dubai have tested positive for COVID-19 and have now been hospitalised for treatment. The youngest patient is a one-year-old baby, while the eldest is a 61-year-old female Hong Kong resident”
 
This isn’t looking good for international travel bans to be removed
26 Passengers test positive for Covid-19
“Public health officials in Hong Kong have revealed that 26 passengers who arrived in the city on June 20 after travelling onboard an Emirates flight from Dubai have tested positive for COVID-19 and have now been hospitalised for treatment. The youngest patient is a one-year-old baby, while the eldest is a 61-year-old female Hong Kong resident”
For the first time ever I think I'd suggest to anyone going to the UK to fly Perth - UK direct assuming that service is ever available again and then immediately self isolate for 14 days.
 
For the first time ever I think I'd suggest to anyone going to the UK to fly Perth - UK direct assuming that service is ever available again and then immediately self isolate for 14 days.
I expect the SA cases will go up soon when the next repatriation flight arrives. This flight originated in Pakistan.
 

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