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I had this mornings first OMG flight from AVV to SYD on JQ. Caveat - this is not a JQ rant, and please don't turn it into one! A couple ...
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    Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    I had this mornings first OMG flight from AVV to SYD on JQ. Caveat - this is not a JQ rant, and please don't turn it into one!

    A couple of minutes after top of decent (my timing may be wrong as I was dozing) the little A320 suddenly got thrown around like a rag doll in a storm. The turbulence was "jolty" and had the AC violently side to side with a reasonable drop thrown in.

    I have experienced wake turbulence before - this increased the heart rate a few beats, but quickly settled down as we were back in clear air again in a few short seconds - although I must admit it did seem longer!

    From a basically silent flight, there was suddenly a lot of nervous laughter and the lady in the window in my row was sobbing away - I think she had taken a decent whack on the head. The seatbelt sign came off and the flight attendants in front went through the cabin looking for injured PAX - quickly and with purpose in mind.

    Coming in to land, we had to pass through a lot of cloud - I took special note of the terror on some PAX faces I could see, the looking around and the tenseness as the plane was slightly buffeted by cloud bumps. I really did feel sorry for the once a year flyers.

    On landing the Capitan was on the PA informing us the turbulence was caused by a SIA eek380 passing through our descent path with less than the required 8 miles (i'm sure this will be corrected by our learned members) - quite close in fact...hmmm. I'm thinking CASA straight away...

    Anyway, all the PAX alighted with no injuries needing hospital treatment, however, the only male FA on the flight got hurt - the Capitan addressed this as well commenting that medical treatment would be sought after everyone had alighted the AC.

    A couple of points:

    1. Everyone in my immediate forward view had seat belts on - I was in row 8
    2. A number of seats reclined by themselves - this must have frightened the **** out of the person in the seat
    3. A couple of overhead bins opened
    4. Idiot PAX on leaving the AC opening bins from the rows behind and stuff falling out - I actually caught a laptop that would have hit the floor
    5. The JQ staff on that flight could NOT have been more professional about how they went about the cabin checks after the event
    6. Wake turbulence sucks!

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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    I don't think it's wake turbulence, more likely CAT, while there is an A380 crossing, the replay of flightradar24.com at 1953UTC on the 11th shows her around 8000 below the path of the A320 based on the quick look I had.

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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    Quote Originally Posted by markis10 View Post
    I don't think it's wake turbulence, more likely CAT, while there is an A380 crossing, the replay of flightradar24.com at 1953UTC on the 11th shows her around 8000 below the path of the A320 based on the quick look I had.
    Im fine with your assumption markis10. I wonder why the Captain of a passenger jet would get it so wrong then....?

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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    Quote Originally Posted by munitalP View Post
    Im fine with your assumption markis10. I wonder why the Captain of a passenger jet would get it so wrong then....?
    ... or was he simply offering what sounded like a plausible explanation.
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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    Quote Originally Posted by straitman View Post
    ... or was he simply offering what sounded like a plausible explanation.

    As I said..... Quote: "I wonder why the Captain of a passenger jet would get it so wrong then....?"

    Is it so inconcevable that the captain got it right based on the comments of an ex ATC employee who is a member of AFF who looked up a freeby website on the internet for some info on a flight from this morning? Please....





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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    What's CAT please?

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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnM View Post
    What's CAT please?
    Clear Air Turbulence

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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

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    What's CAT please?
    Clear Air Turbulence

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    Re: Wake turbulence has FA hurt and PAX shaken (yeah, the last bit's a pun!)

    I'm definitely not a weather or flight guru (and I am sure this will be unrelated, but mentioning in case its not) but my DJ flight SYD-PER today (13.15 departure) had quite a lot of turbulence once we got near approximate Adelaide-latitude South then across the Bight and ended up altering both course and altitude to evade it - we were told it was to do with a stonger than expected jetstream at that level. Even once evasive measures were taken it was still pretty bumpy. The pilot even apologised to the J passengers (all 4 of us) after we landed - I told him not to worry, after the bumpy landing into SYD through weather in the REX SAAB, I was much more confident in the 737!

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    Quote Originally Posted by munitalP View Post
    As I said..... Quote: "I wonder why the Captain of a passenger jet would get it so wrong then....?"

    Is it so inconcevable that the captain got it right based on the comments of an ex ATC employee who is a member of AFF who looked up a freeby website on the internet for some info on a flight from this morning? Please....




    I have the advantage of looking at the raw ADSB data which clearly shows the A380 below the A320's flight path by significant amounts, she was below your aircraft by 4000 feet when she was at 340 degrees and 20 miles, given wake turbulence is always below an aircraft, it's unlikely to be from the A380. This sort of information would not have been available to the captain at all, they have nothing but radio traffic and the MK1 eyeball to use and I think it's a reasonable assumption for the captain to make, they certainly don't have radar and it's possible they were in IMC anyway. The fact it's a free website is irrelevant, it does not change the aircraft originated data one iota and provides a better picture than the aircraft in the air have short of being in a wedge tail or P3.

    However, as the incident occurred in the very airspace I looked after for many years, CAT or clear air turbulence is very common around Crookwell thanks to the standing waves from the great dividing range, which is why I am suggesting that based on my experience. It's also possible that the history slice of the ADSB data I was looking at missed some data, which is why I gave the details for others to case an experienced eye over should they feel the need.

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